Received: from localhost ([::1]:51275 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1av6xk-0005Mo-3M; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:52 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.161.171]:33057) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1av6xc-0005Lo-S1 for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:48 -0700 Received: by mail-yw0-f171.google.com with SMTP id t10so25956752ywa.0 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=6dxOLjdZs8aaWzDrgsZPQp3xHotFS8q6xNryeIRaXkk=; b=oR5Y42KjatbvzzRThKEtF20zPNeOE+MI6+JdDnZeN6ttYWE9rd8K6B4bCe3F036/YC OLMvzbP6ZBBOzZBaZGPPNup8Om6sR4hcwyR4Z8+FelkNAWgCS/WWajm01wtM6r+W0BCT PPWtbgGXLW0vGdmH2Ws/vZJbkKbb3g1kjb+i6sXmDSgztihF/UPvMuAdp5xLEwIQQAHB nE8DiPzC7JE9FztjvAUb9woXfFv3lARoG7E2sQ+kpmWk59gIEM5vXTEGRbZsBZl+GH2B WDtbqy0b6f9r8e68Yv7eXyvIaeHtxAlxjQIPcKXv2mL7LWBt44s8YPQCbh3mua3Qv1wW ca0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=6dxOLjdZs8aaWzDrgsZPQp3xHotFS8q6xNryeIRaXkk=; b=Jh4c1q9ZcLkeZIhhadv2VgZuID2ekeWuHsXf5bZXjfjq3wBb6vRbE0oo3ExfC1gzub M09/EF6tIQKiUAQS1jFrLTDm/mgbw9zUgzGC0KrZorV3VxSw00d9Udh4772biuH0Fvex s8R0peTWmz+yHAPjKbSCbhaLWV60xgC3jPF1HDXBFVdpU54WXyi+TWz9ANQCpi+bR7Ev tCIuPZn+QeqHU5pj0Ez/b4+s8psnKYP8XjxIdCpKdUQoGY94WSc6V/huiRQzNX56dN9S b/wltVq23qED+MxKnXxbnzOkDiTQYio+rRS8bJYkfS0tFQFSr1bgywsWgwJzxOKBNu5d Zljw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWQ3unTlt2p1G4nUosFFW6UBShAhUJ2rYcaGEK9jzkiwLVFxiKeKdr3nXZqygJgmsLmCUCNvbGTznEzLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.176.7.35 with SMTP id h32mr1921066uah.17.1461692378523; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.66.134 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.66.134 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571EA53F.6040906@lojban.org> <2A767C1B-DA0E-49F5-931C-1F61D5ECDD86@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Community Manager position? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3150106799141588001==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3150106799141588001== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c123e4afe2c68053166c675 --94eb2c123e4afe2c68053166c675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 But if a decision has already de facto been made then de jure equality has no basis in reality. I agree with this concern. On Apr 26, 2016 13:14, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > 2016-04-26 20:08 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : > >> Done this way excludes some people from the possibility of participating >> during the discussion. >> > > It certainly does not. IRC won't replace the meeting this way. Only shrink > the time needed for other members to form a position. > > > >> If they have to wait until the discussion has been basically been >> completed on IRC before being able to participate them their comments will >> not hold the same weight. >> > > Your weight as a member of LLG is the same as of others. > > As one of the people probably in this position I will say I would be less >> invested and feel less like being involved in the meetings. In this case I >> believe that going with the slower, more inclusive methods of discussion is >> necessary. >> >> .karis. >> >> On April 26, 2016 2:34:48 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna > gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-26 2:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < >>> lojbab@lojban.org>: >>> >>>> On 4/25/2016 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2016-04-24 22:08 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch >>>> >: >>>>> >>>>> We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't see the >>>>> challenges of scheduling as prohibitive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And exactly what happened last time is that < 100% of members found the >>>>> designated time uncomfortable. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If we are talking about LLG member meetings, when last this was done, >>>> Nick Nicolas in Australia was the person with the most difficult >>>> participation >>> >>> >>> I was talking about out last meeting where discussions were partially >>> held in IRC. >>> The same can be done this time. >>> I simply suggest that when possible we should not discuss anything here >>> but instead in IRC where we form a common position. >>> Someone posts a resume of IRC meetings here and what we do in this >>> mailing list is just confirm our position and correct the resume. >>> This will save a lot of time. >>> Other members not participating in IRC part of the meeting can continue >>> using this mailing list for any discussions. Since such people won't be >>> numerous they won't make the meeting much longer. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> , and he was more flexible than most people could be. Other than him, >>>> the time zones ranged from the US Pacific coast to central Europe, I think >>>> a 9 hour range. Nowadays, we have Ali in Pakistan (+12), gleki in Russia >>>> (+10), and guskant in Japan (+16), all outside of that 9 hour range (plus >>>> numbers are hours relative to Pacific Daylight time. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, so e.g. we could cut out from IRC meetings gleki and Ali since >>> they stand apart from other people in terms of timezones. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> -- Karen Stein -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c123e4afe2c68053166c675 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But if a decision has already de facto been made then de jur= e equality has no basis in reality. I agree with this concern.

On Apr 26, 2016 13:14, "Gleki Arxokuna"= ; <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com> wrote:
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2016-04-26 20:08 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&g= t;:
Done this way excludes so= me people from the possibility of participating during the discussion.

It certainly does not. IRC won't repl= ace the meeting this way. Only shrink the time needed for other members to = form a position.

=C2=A0
If they have to wait until the discussion has been basicall= y been completed on IRC before being able to participate them their comment= s will not hold the same weight.

Your= weight as a member of LLG is the same as of others.

As one of the people probably in this po= sition I will say I would be less invested and feel less like being involve= d in the meetings. In this case I believe that going with the slower, more = inclusive methods of discussion is necessary.

.karis.

On April 26, 2016 2:34:= 48 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-04-26 2:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG = <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 4/25/2016 = 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2016-04-24 22:08 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com
 <mailto:shunpik= er@gmail.com>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't= see the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 challenges of scheduling as prohibitive.


And exactly what happened last time is that < 100% of members found the<= br> designated time uncomfortable.

If we are talking about LLG member meetings, when last this was done, Nick = Nicolas in Australia was the person with the most difficult participation

I was talking about out last meeting where d= iscussions were partially held in IRC.
The same can be done this = time.=C2=A0
I simply suggest that when possible we should not dis= cuss anything here but instead in IRC where we form a common position.
Someone posts a resume of IRC meetings here and what we do in this ma= iling list is just confirm our position and correct the resume.
T= his will save a lot of time.
Other members not participating in I= RC part of the meeting can continue using this mailing list for any discuss= ions. Since such people won't be numerous they won't make the meeti= ng much longer.


=C2=A0
, and he was more flexible than most people could be. Other than = him, the time zones ranged from the US Pacific coast to central Europe, I t= hink a 9 hour range.=C2=A0 Nowadays, we have Ali in Pakistan (+12), gleki i= n Russia (+10), and guskant in Japan (+16), all outside of that 9 hour rang= e (plus numbers are hours relative to Pacific Daylight time.

Yeah, so e.g. we could cut out from IRC meetings glek= i and Ali since they stand apart from other people in terms of timezones.

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