Received: from localhost ([::1]:53769 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0Nub-00012V-FL; Tue, 10 May 2016 23:46:25 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52]:34488) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0NuR-00011Q-Da for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 10 May 2016 23:46:23 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f52.google.com with SMTP id m64so38743774lfd.1 for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 23:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=X7uADTIMl6S1faRy/d9J77NjdOULjxZcN32kZCYf+MU=; b=noCJCjbZgATw/00pYgD9L9tMX7MNzSxlJmmsh3WF8lmX7xq7jS1asxYAzL6BpyhWIU X3AM0B09NkPK8fSrWyvOZqEbnMbLpfVqAp3/Orz4m/Hei6LEb1koM7/VrEznrwSA1PA1 0W8Kf3NYjW26gETbY9iztBKZ5zETIn7Y7gsXGvlTxyg35jccbHr2z0VZo629I0srBoY1 FK8FPxTPXvetaRSbps78Cj2i923tXMGVaPHA+wm+h9EINImHM1Vv1MmArwkqpe9rbeJa C3jB21kyxKh9hAHBvgnLgA5cL91g1Wi85HWvaPvGwRF6Ei1/6Waq8vcJ4GQR/81i1SJ8 e8ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=X7uADTIMl6S1faRy/d9J77NjdOULjxZcN32kZCYf+MU=; b=Tizv7TvFshaYsyTpzPMBE/U50O0O67PEfeTcYOEmNJwpPNc3FU4+1naEZU2FG43QH8 /aHhEf5W0m8Bu5ZUJLBvg5UFBTVZmaVZeJSd8fbymKq6qZCXkV07JDQRx41qaK8RCjK5 tfERE+YiauWD/RRiw1CHU94lzlTlI9vzfGqZbRT4nkd36Lr+hjwTmW1E3uWlj3i1FuLq 92yv57wWF7iLgw84q6BuZGCWHw5hV3j2Gxt9lLQonmSUukNph1NjSyVMAsZ4WyokRLu8 qqtZd7lWkSHchiWCKmh9aK2LmZRCilOgop359MAvVCWVg1KvY/W1A4w6Yd6hM4FB6QQc gCSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUl8UyjAWcAfIrICzlu7sllGPoSPu60Wv14PVNOVeiWWB7DKAjBo7NOQBXV2ROw2YEZiDRMcFo29WV0Lg== X-Received: by 10.25.42.197 with SMTP id q188mr729823lfq.2.1462949168266; Tue, 10 May 2016 23:46:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.199.163 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2016 23:45:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 09:45:28 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7417798140898236693==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7417798140898236693== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114075ae7fc51905328b6562 --001a114075ae7fc51905328b6562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-05-11 9:14 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > I agree. Even if we care to follow this issue up, we should play it safe > and remove it at least until the matter is settled. > Well, I still a moderator of that group and just deleted that. I should note that different people were moderators of it and the creator and thus the owner of the group is not a Lojbanist at all (and he can potentially delete it at any time). I'm not sure if that group should be placed on the main page of the wiki (Russian version). It's mostly dead. I think it's fine to just retain e-mail addresses of people who can help for speakers of Russian and store all the learning materials on the wiki. > On May 11, 2016 01:56, "guskant" wrote: > >> I received a demand from a Japanese professional artist ( >> https://twitter.com/tyo_md >> ) >> for removing one of her artworks from the header image of a Russian >> Lojban group: >> http://vk.com/menli.bangu >> (archive of the current state: http://archive.is/WhoYP ) >> >> She said she had never been asked for the permission of use of the >> picture for that group. The artist is professional and the artworks are not >> copylefted. Usually, anyone who wants to use her artworks must consult her, >> and must even pay for that in many cases. That picture was originally >> donated to Cogas, one of the most active Lojbanists in Japan, for one of >> his twitter accounts >> https://twitter.com/lojytan_bot >> for the friendship between Cogas and the artist. Cogas was not informed >> of use of the picture for the Russian Lojban group either. The picture was >> therfore stolen by the Russian Lojban group, and the copyright holder has >> not been aware of it for a long time. >> >> I herewith consult all members of LLG about this problem because the >> Russian Lojban group in question is recommended on the Russian top page of >> the official website of Lojban: >> >> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C!/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 >> (archive of the current state: http://archive.is/agRrY ) >> >> Even though the top page of the official website is not tagged with >> "official contents", visitors of the Lojban top page might believe that LLG >> supports the violation of copyright of an artist for the Russian Lojban >> group. >> >> I recommend immediately removing the picture from the group page. I guess >> Gleki can take responsibility for that. >> >> mi'e la guskant >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a114075ae7fc51905328b6562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-05-11 9:14 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:

I a= gree. Even if we care to follow this issue up, we should play it safe and r= emove it at least until the matter is settled.


Well, I still a moderator of that group and just deleted that.
I should note that different people were moderators of it and the cre= ator and thus the owner of the group is not a Lojbanist at all (and he can = potentially delete it at any time).

I'm not su= re if that group should be placed on the main page of the wiki (Russian ver= sion).
It's mostly dead.
I think it's fine to j= ust retain e-mail addresses of people who can help for speakers of Russian = and store all the learning materials on the wiki.

= =C2=A0
On May 11, 2016 01:56, &q= uot;guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I received a demand from a Japanese professional artist (
https://twitter.com/= tyo_md
)
for removing one of her artworks from the = header image of a Russian Lojban group:
(arc= hive of the current state: http://archive.is/WhoYP )

She said she h= ad never been asked for the permission of use of the picture for that group= . The artist is professional and the artworks are not copylefted. Usually, = anyone who wants to use her artworks must consult her, and must even pay fo= r that in many cases. That picture was originally donated to Cogas, one of = the most active Lojbanists in Japan, for one of his twitter accounts
<= div>https://t= witter.com/lojytan_bot
for the friendship between Cogas and t= he artist. Cogas was not informed of use of the picture for the Russian Loj= ban group either. The picture was therfore stolen by the Russian Lojban gro= up, and the copyright holder has not been aware of it for a long time.

I herewith consult all members of LLG about this probl= em because the Russian Lojban group in question is recommended on the Russi= an top page of the official website of Lojban:
(archive of the curre= nt state: http://arch= ive.is/agRrY )

Even though the top page of the= official website is not tagged with "official contents", visitor= s of the Lojban top page might believe that LLG supports the violation of c= opyright of an artist for the Russian Lojban group.

I recommend immediately removing the picture from the group page. I guess= Gleki can take responsibility for that.

mi'e = la guskant


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