Received: from localhost ([::1]:55539 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0UXj-0004cH-BH; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:51:15 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f49.google.com ([209.85.215.49]:36157) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0UXc-0004b7-Is for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:51:13 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f49.google.com with SMTP id u64so50339760lff.3 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:51:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8b8vgdUjh6dE3kEaApzHitodLtOPpaS1R0ts1yPJRoA=; b=SfUSI2A45OT60eb4H5q0UH1qrlwlFm14ZFI29Kv5Sfd0ExUzrJDXFuEH7QvCnVd3Jm ip0b7tCf2YSq6L7P/TCVucqhue514jlCGcYSMPiRgetM9TpEWYKg4kkfA5His4g11CL2 w2g0I9/mBYhiXejof79dM2SVFOjYp7A8MJ2IM9yJaSe0+fFdyoLXfpCgZRjbxv+BgrXr oVG5PfOVJ77+bFgZp3HgYGXsPvgZ475rTBc1Ks5ifiLzDd5+NiWbh9QYeQuV9J0sfc/q jNCczlbjwHmy2s1u4klKxJkWfj+g2ID6EHvJ6A/9IRw2dx97DruxbxJSlXbGViaw4Ord bmdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8b8vgdUjh6dE3kEaApzHitodLtOPpaS1R0ts1yPJRoA=; b=KcTnFl8p84uIYc80COKTUX9jSbSbFP3IIy8bXjnSEyp5ASxihfm6k1YyalD1kZHuI8 j3Jt5j0MaUG4ogkh7y6gnCz8gYj8fSbEO8jQPiQYTNPeUzlUPANMCZeEcNvU+3xuhGRb /xRe2vjFzRt8NC+ANuhG2j6Jq8N5x5ohkI0Xr5xyfUnWJCzh82nxLgfI2AFCO3XvJw1G brbox44dhojfvoagdPoL9h8Z0Nice/slY2Pkgzu9xMrLiJcNHe3WkC//drC1d1Cv2WcC 5pvPgwpUn4xjTfgtthYb8hSTohkuEUC7Z9JL+ePY0hor7QbCliGrDRRE1Lvjqd14EJW6 GFWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FULtpzG4TQAGMy7how11WF+NJ4eutocHeK4/7ZO518ufZw6DkqX2HoGnZJWVBUOVF/bStkXZ3LuJ73r2g== X-Received: by 10.112.73.72 with SMTP id j8mr1635623lbv.143.1462974661248; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:51:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.199.163 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> References: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:50:21 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8075420461674465252==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8075420461674465252== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c25c98ffea9a0532915482 --001a11c25c98ffea9a0532915482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-05-11 16:48 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : > Thank you for removing the image, Gleki. It makes sense to me to provide a > way for speakers and interested persons to reach Russian lojban I add part > of the main wiki. The details of the group may be less important if it > isn't very active now. > > Guskant, can you please reach out to the artist so she knows her material > has been removed. Also offer LLG's apology, unless someone else has an > issue with either of these. > The question here is that any user of that network can potentially upload any picture to that group. > > . karis. > > On May 11, 2016 2:45:28 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: >> >> >> >> 2016-05-11 9:14 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : >> >>> I agree. Even if we care to follow this issue up, we should play it safe >>> and remove it at least until the matter is settled. >>> >> >> Well, I still a moderator of that group and just deleted that. >> I should note that different people were moderators of it and the creator >> and thus the owner of the group is not a Lojbanist at all (and he can >> potentially delete it at any time). >> >> I'm not sure if that group should be placed on the main page of the wiki >> (Russian version). >> It's mostly dead. >> I think it's fine to just retain e-mail addresses of people who can help >> for speakers of Russian and store all the learning materials on the wiki. >> >> >> >>> On May 11, 2016 01:56, "guskant" wrote: >>> >>>> I received a demand from a Japanese professional artist ( >>>> https://twitter.com/tyo_md >>>> ) >>>> for removing one of her artworks from the header image of a Russian >>>> Lojban group: >>>> http://vk.com/menli.bangu >>>> (archive of the current state: http://archive.is/WhoYP ) >>>> >>>> She said she had never been asked for the permission of use of the >>>> picture for that group. The artist is professional and the artworks are not >>>> copylefted. Usually, anyone who wants to use her artworks must consult her, >>>> and must even pay for that in many cases. That picture was originally >>>> donated to Cogas, one of the most active Lojbanists in Japan, for one of >>>> his twitter accounts >>>> https://twitter.com/lojytan_bot >>>> for the friendship between Cogas and the artist. Cogas was not informed >>>> of use of the picture for the Russian Lojban group either. The picture was >>>> therfore stolen by the Russian Lojban group, and the copyright holder has >>>> not been aware of it for a long time. >>>> >>>> I herewith consult all members of LLG about this problem because the >>>> Russian Lojban group in question is recommended on the Russian top page of >>>> the official website of Lojban: >>>> >>>> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C!/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 >>>> (archive of the current state: http://archive.is/agRrY ) >>>> >>>> Even though the top page of the official website is not tagged with >>>> "official contents", visitors of the Lojban top page might believe that LLG >>>> supports the violation of copyright of an artist for the Russian Lojban >>>> group. >>>> >>>> I recommend immediately removing the picture from the group page. I >>>> guess Gleki can take responsibility for that. >>>> >>>> mi'e la guskant >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > -- Karen Stein -- > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11c25c98ffea9a0532915482 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-05-11 16:48 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&= gt;:
Thank you for removing t= he image, Gleki. It makes sense to me to provide a way for speakers and int= erested persons to reach Russian lojban I add part of the main wiki. The de= tails of the group may be less important if it isn't very active now. <= br>
Guskant, can you please reach out to the artist so she knows her material h= as been removed. Also offer LLG's apology, unless someone else has an i= ssue with either of these.

The q= uestion here is that any user of that network can potentially upload any pi= cture to that group.
=C2=A0
<= div>
. karis.

On May 1= 1, 2016 2:45:28 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-05-11 9:14 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:

I a= gree. Even if we care to follow this issue up, we should play it safe and r= emove it at least until the matter is settled.


Well, I still a moderator of that group and just deleted that.
I should note that different people were moderators of it and the cre= ator and thus the owner of the group is not a Lojbanist at all (and he can = potentially delete it at any time).

I'm not su= re if that group should be placed on the main page of the wiki (Russian ver= sion).
It's mostly dead.
I think it's fine to j= ust retain e-mail addresses of people who can help for speakers of Russian and store all the learning mate= rials on the wiki.

=C2=A0
On May 11, 2016 01:56, "guskant&q= uot; <gusni.k= antu@gmail.com> wrote:
I received a demand f= rom a Japanese professional artist (
)
for removing one of her artworks from the header image of a Russian = Lojban group:
(archive of the current state:= http://archive.is/Wh= oYP )

She said she had never been asked for th= e permission of use of the picture for that group. The artist is profession= al and the artworks are not copylefted. Usually, anyone who wants to use her artworks must cons= ult her, and must even pay for that in many cases. That picture was origina= lly donated to Cogas, one of the most active Lojbanists in Japan, for one o= f his twitter accounts
for the f= riendship between Cogas and the artist. Cogas was not informed of use of th= e picture for the Russian Lojban group either. The picture was therfore sto= len by the Russian Lojban group, and the copyright holder has not been awar= e of it for a long time.

I herewith consult all me= mbers of LLG about this problem because the Russian Lojban group in questio= n is recommended on the Russian top page of the official website of Lojban:=
https://mw.lojban.or= g/papri/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE= %D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C!/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9
(archive of the current state: http://archive.is/agRrY )

Ev= en though the top page of the official website is not tagged with "off= icial contents", visitors of the Lojban top page might believe that LL= G supports the violation of copyright of an artist for the Russian Lojban g= roup.

I recommend immediately removing the picture= from the group page. I guess Gleki can take responsibility for that.
=

mi'e la guskant


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