Received: from localhost ([::1]:60597 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0rcZ-00063O-2e; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:29:47 -0700 Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com ([209.85.213.176]:35221) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0rcR-000635-Rk for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:29:45 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id bi2so178254662igb.0 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:29:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=7bXhkmVYQqv71xR1p78rJNzhDVfEAu6Eri16Qzp5huE=; b=YsKbIVX9C5z5t5qiBR0shQmV+k0op1GeLcPUBbkTqFOyYKyLFcvBBFco2bNl9ZY/4a yf/Ew88vjuYGOrkuTYc51opZF9RkFqahaYhj+VFZPS9K3THxpKH66xuMXnp7JcG5i/uA 3+RvR+/Zmmw6IPQMVX0+1ePUYQPmG2XmG68+bSjV3WjAfOF/KoWL4JQ10VXyO2VL20DN 8TH04hHl2YahgIgWq2tnwXPLay//8DmvxS1VJX7Ro01+hqsvW/wRiWrr1mfbGMKP91VN GwO/oVSUUgDSbukeAv2XuEM1KzUs4gpJy5txw/oYgRwKxfVfON0dCUeTgB32Hz+07HXq d5JQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=7bXhkmVYQqv71xR1p78rJNzhDVfEAu6Eri16Qzp5huE=; b=DbVx+svMKVk9TOj53KWcl8Y1G/8cD7R5aS5jPT7SHaxFzjasv9JFMDjp7JfGdJhkeY UhSLKDsSH6bCNts1Xs+Jr0G49Sy4SxYcHNbhckZ/r1EZcVRez3DJAZeRGV8/Te1kP8kX bsFDaMk/wiwdhRewtukr4OPomnHu2kSYNBgQkQcjMNATgx1/ohMdF3VPwdRf9usw+TCs q82SnRTh61CTmSmhGemJQ357M3n1vpPc7xq7BWVDCshEPyyJ+2opwfrnw+3xjw4NQBvE BL9i3kCM2lW14BE8LiGKyva42fgMl0WB9ah4XYO2XSCSJmhkZQccNsbVFujgA+JoTSue HKsg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWK6VI7T0P1EAiuPvGWHej7qJOcrvowNOlu2mIWcU4f8rcG/nLwYPLYfnPM5SrLALY3qJ+lOG4hG5vzQA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.96.132 with SMTP id ds4mr28019234igb.31.1463063373595; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.140.130 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.140.130 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> <5733B5C8.7000902@lojban.org> <20160512125551.GF9955@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 15:29:32 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8241460602732751949==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8241460602732751949== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111e15aaaf4d00532a5fc6f --089e0111e15aaaf4d00532a5fc6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 12 May 2016 13:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > 2016-05-12 15:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan : >> >> guskant scripsit: >> >> > As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", the copyright has >> > expired in most countries in the world except France, where a special >> > law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the US, where copyright >> > renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru" page on the >> > official website must reject access from those two countries, or must >> > move the content to a server in another country. >> >> This is becoming absurd. Copyright is a civil matter when there is no >> commercial advantage, and the estate surely has better things to do >> than (pur)sue people for making translations into an obscure language >> that almost no one speaks and giving them away for free. On the >> other hand, we should not approach the estate for permission, because >> author's estates almost always say "No" (in my experience) if there >> is no money in it. The same applies to the agents of living authors. >> >> We should leave things as they are. > > > I'm not into American law but given the current situation with "Elsevier vs. sci-hub" I suppose we need to take down SciAm article "Loglan" from the website. I support what John says and disagree with taking down the Loglan article. (Also, and without wanting to initiate a new and unnecessary direction for the discussion, I would point out that LLG's stated mission of supporting linguistic scholarship entails supporting SciHub and opposing Elsevier wherever practicable. Since this is currently nowhere practicable, further discussion is for the time being superfluous.) --And. --089e0111e15aaaf4d00532a5fc6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 12 May 2016 13:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> 2016-05-12 15:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:
>>
>> guskant scripsit:
>>
>> > As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", th= e copyright has
>> > expired in most countries in the world except France, where a= special
>> > law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the U= S, where copyright
>> > renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru= " page on the
>> > official website must reject access from those two countries,= or must
>> > move the content to a server in another country.
>>
>> This is becoming absurd.=C2=A0 Copyright is a civil matter when th= ere is no
>> commercial advantage, and the estate surely has better things to d= o
>> than (pur)sue people for making translations into an obscure langu= age
>> that almost no one speaks and giving them away for free.=C2=A0 On = the
>> other hand, we should not approach the estate for permission, beca= use
>> author's estates almost always say "No" (in my exper= ience) if there
>> is no money in it.=C2=A0 The same applies to the agents of living = authors.
>>
>> We should leave things as they are.
>
>
> I'm not into American law but given the current situation with &qu= ot;Elsevier vs. sci-hub" I suppose we need to take down SciAm article = "Loglan" from the website.

I support what John says and disagree with taking down the L= oglan article.

(Also, and without wanting to initiate a new and unnecessary= direction for the discussion, I would point out that LLG's stated miss= ion of supporting linguistic scholarship entails supporting SciHub and oppo= sing Elsevier wherever practicable. Since this is currently nowhere practic= able, further discussion is for the time being superfluous.)

--And.

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