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Based on emails attached and what I wrote at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaehRaAJWw/edit , it looks like KDP is used for Amazon (both print and ebook) and Ingram Spark is used for every other book seller. I no longer recall why I did it that way; possible so "look inside this book" would work. It also looks like this has been broken since 2021; an email thread is attached in which no-one followed up after my last reply, as far as I can tell. If someone gets me the current treasurer@lojabn.org password for Amazon, I can probably get this working. On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 07:13:36PM -0800, Robin Powell wrote: > Furthermore, I no longer appear to have a working LLG login for KDP, so I > can't actually check directly myself. FWIW, though, KDP *does* support > physical books; see for example > https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/GKYZRXFBZH2LDXAK > > But it's possible that I'm misremembering and we did go to Spark; I > honestly don't know. > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:11 PM Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > Ugh, I'm sorry I can't be more help; it's been *so long* since I set > > this up. I'm trying to check through old emails. > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:40:05AM -0800, Riley Lynch wrote: > > > I could not find anything within Amazon KDP that related to print > > > publishing. Did I not look hard enough? > > > > > > The reports from Ingram seemed to indicate that they are somehow still in > > > use for both print and electronic publishing, with sales for both > > reported > > > within the last month. > > > > > > I will continue to try to get my head around how everything is > > configured. > > > I will document what I learn. I'd appreciate any help along the way. > > > > > > Regarding the Amazon KDP warnings, I have had difficulty placating those > > > messages in the past, but perhaps I can figure out what the issue is > > along > > > with resolving the more urgent issue of restoring the availability of the > > > print edition of CLL. > > > > > > --Riley > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:50 AM Robin Lee Powell < > > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > > > It's been a really long time, but I *believe* We don't use Ingram > > > > Spark anymore, we use Amazon KDP; hapefully that's enough to get you > > > > back on track? > > > > > > > > Side comment: I keep seeing KDP emails to treasurer@lojban.org about > > > > how they can't pay us anymore for sales in some markets; hopefully > > > > someone did something with those? If not, maybe that's relevant? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 03:11:27AM -0500, Riley Lynch wrote: > > > > > I see the same thing on Amazon that Robin notes: CLL is available in > > > > Kindle > > > > > format, but only used copies are available in paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lojban-Language-John-Cowan/dp/0966028325 > > > > > > > > > > However, when I log into Ingram Spark, it seems to indicate that both > > > > > e-books and print books are still being sold. > > > > > > > > > > [image: Screenshot 2024-02-26 at 2.57.30 AM.png] > > > > > I am unable to find a record of these sales via Amazon, however. > > > > > > > > > > I never had a very good understanding of how publishing for CLL > > works, > > > > and > > > > > I did not track all of the implications of the migration from > > Lightning > > > > > Source to Ingram Spark. That said, I'd be glad to learn. > > > > > > > > > > Robin, if you have time to walk me through your impressions of how > > things > > > > > ought to work, I'd be glad to get on a call with you. I am on West > > Coast > > > > > time for the next week. Async is also fine, if that's easier for > > you. I > > > > > would also be glad to continue to investigate this on my own, but I'm > > > > sure > > > > > I would benefit from your context. > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally: In order to log into both Amazon and Ingram, I had to > > reset > > > > > passwords for both. I want to make sure that we can both continue to > > > > access > > > > > these sites. > > > > > > > > > > --Riley > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 4:13 PM Riley Lynch > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I can also look into this tomorrow.. Thank you for calling it out, > > > > Robin. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 1:37 AM Karen Stein > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> That is weird. When I just checked on Amazon, following Robin's > > link, > > > > > >> several new copies were available, but we still weren't listed as > > a > > > > > >> possible source. Who has handled our Amazon account in the past? > > If > > > > that's > > > > > >> you, please check this out and get back to all of us with what you > > > > find. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > >> karis > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 00:21 Robin Lee Powell > > > > >> digitalkingdom.org=rlpowell@lojban.org> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Looking at > > > > > >>> > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lojban-Language-John-Cowan/dp/0966028325/ > > > > > >>> , I don't see *us* selling it anywhere in hardcover, only used > > > > > >>> copies. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --IYZqNLc6qSwf+bnC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:00:18 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: Robert LeChevalier , mukti Subject: Re: CLL ordering problems Message-ID: <20200106230018.GC10382@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: Robert LeChevalier , mukti References: <20200106225525.GB10382@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200106225525.GB10382@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.3 (2019-02-01) On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 02:55:25PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 12:59:16PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. > > > > I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL > > as a gift. amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is > > available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon > > has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand > > and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be > > available. Do we have some kind of annual contract that needs to > > be renewed or something? If someone knows something and can > > check, it would be appreciated. > > OK, so, there's a bunch of things going on here. > > I was keeping all this information in > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaehRaAJWw/edit > , but it seems to have fallen out of date somewhat, and also it > looks like it was flat-out wrong in some places. > > 1. The account that is probably directly relevant here is our > Kindle Direct Publishing account, but when I try to log in there > with the info in the quarterly books document, I get: > > Enter the One Time Password (OTP) that has been sent to a phone number ending in 557 > > , which as far as I know is not a phone number that is mine or > has ever been mine. This is for our Amazon account, for treasurer@lojban.org > > So whoever has that phone needs to investigate that. > > 2. We appear to have an old, unused Lightning Source account; in > the meantime we got moved to Ingram Spark. I have updated the > document to try to reflect this, but the the lightning source > account with account number 6020176 is, as far as I can tell, no > longer relevant at all. > > According to Ingram Spark, everything is fine: > > ISBN/SKU Format Title Contributor Submit Date Status > 9780966028331 EPUB The Complete Lojban Language Cowan, John W 6/14/2016 Available for Printing/Download > 9780966028324 Case Laminate The Complete Lojban Language Cowan, John W 1/8/2015 Available for Printing/Download > 9780966028317 Perfect Bound What Is Lojban? Nicholas, Nick 5/30/2003 Available for Printing/Download > > But for Amazon, only the KDP account above is relevant. To add to this: a. Literally any major book seller *except* Amazon should be working. b. Ingram Spark has filled orders within the last month. > > There is an email in the > > lojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed , > > who made the query. If you answer him directly please copy me so > > I know it has been dealt with. > > > > BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source? Or only > > from a book retailer? > > We can order direct from Ingram Spark (which is what our Lightning > Source account is called now, basically), but they can't; see > > https://www.ingramspark.com/blog/3-ways-to-order-books --IYZqNLc6qSwf+bnC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 14:55:25 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: Robert LeChevalier Cc: mukti Subject: Re: CLL ordering problems Message-ID: <20200106225525.GB10382@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: Robert LeChevalier , mukti References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.3 (2019-02-01) On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 12:59:16PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. > > I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL > as a gift. amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is > available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon > has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand > and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be > available. Do we have some kind of annual contract that needs to > be renewed or something? If someone knows something and can > check, it would be appreciated. OK, so, there's a bunch of things going on here. I was keeping all this information in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaehRaAJWw/edit , but it seems to have fallen out of date somewhat, and also it looks like it was flat-out wrong in some places. 1. The account that is probably directly relevant here is our Kindle Direct Publishing account, but when I try to log in there with the info in the quarterly books document, I get: Enter the One Time Password (OTP) that has been sent to a phone number ending in 557 , which as far as I know is not a phone number that is mine or has ever been mine. This is for our Amazon account, for treasurer@lojban.org So whoever has that phone needs to investigate that. 2. We appear to have an old, unused Lightning Source account; in the meantime we got moved to Ingram Spark. I have updated the document to try to reflect this, but the the lightning source account with account number 6020176 is, as far as I can tell, no longer relevant at all. According to Ingram Spark, everything is fine: ISBN/SKU Format Title Contributor Submit Date Status 9780966028331 EPUB The Complete Lojban Language Cowan, John W 6/14/2016 Available for Printing/Download 9780966028324 Case Laminate The Complete Lojban Language Cowan, John W 1/8/2015 Available for Printing/Download 9780966028317 Perfect Bound What Is Lojban? Nicholas, Nick 5/30/2003 Available for Printing/Download But for Amazon, only the KDP account above is relevant. > There is an email in the > lojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed , > who made the query. If you answer him directly please copy me so > I know it has been dealt with. > > BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source? Or only > from a book retailer? We can order direct from Ingram Spark (which is what our Lightning Source account is called now, basically), but they can't; see https://www.ingramspark.com/blog/3-ways-to-order-books --IYZqNLc6qSwf+bnC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on stodi.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:59:27 -0800 Received: from omta013.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net ([35.164.127.236]:56667) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ioWez-0002qo-PO for rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:59:27 -0800 Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.16.145]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id oR9XiIXZwUvUGoWetiJuCz; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 17:59:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.192.211.87]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id oWeqiXD9C4pxRoWeriY9h1; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 17:59:19 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=lojbab@cox.net X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=NN+rBHyg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=FTyH7dqNF3Dz0pD1G7OcLA==:117 a=FTyH7dqNF3Dz0pD1G7OcLA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=gzfU73Y2pehBLoXtsVwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ZsS5qGzvjpUA:10 a=iwh3BSu4myUNQlX_M7KP:22 To: Robin Powell , mukti From: Robert LeChevalier Subject: CLL ordering problems Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:59:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDgBbbKuRCdvZy1ldVOnOAd74iWniRReh+4wxIANepAyMNx8erdCl5Ku87jRgT701nczqA8okvOaZoc8PVrCkdVGXknBdFDo1wZJXBCvWvBzWNniZtAQ cWVD9OZ5CVzWhu1UXzqwTez1XdFRgDpAR97n7Yn7GqbkPufvnIJatnkANxZfkcVG2i3bJ3eRU2YTHzY9xEodOMJzaXGuDm+kWtk= X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL as a gift. amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be available. Do we have some kind of annual contract that needs to be renewed or something? If someone knows something and can check, it would be appreciated. There is an email in the lojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed , who made the query. If you answer him directly please copy me so I know it has been dealt with. BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source? 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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tp10si3534433pac.2.2016.06.14.06.41.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bCobJ-0005HD-33; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:41:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:41:53 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com, llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] CLL v1.1 is (probably) *DONE* Message-ID: <20160614134152.GG29699@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com, llg-members@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - So our EPUB didn't pass any of the automated tests that Ingram Spark specified (oops). This led to major revisions in terms of the markup details of all versions except the PDF, but especially the EPUB. We now roll our own EPUB by hand (it turns out it's just a specially formatted zip file with XHTML in it, so we just use the section-chunked version of the CLL plus a bunch of post-processing). There were also some bug fixes to the content; see http://lojban.org/publications/cll/CHANGELOG for complete details of the latest revision. Props to 101001000100001 for the great catch (we had things like "Example 5.5" in a few places that were raw text instead of links, and hence completely wrong). Oh, also, I added a changelog. :D I have just uploaded the EPUB and print versions 2016-06-12 to Ingram Spark. Assuming that all goes well with those uploads (and in particular that they show up on Amazon as two versions of the same book, a point abuot which I am extremely skeptical), I'm pretty much done with CLL work. Like, "hey Robin you're the one most familiar with the process can you roll new versions?" is fine, but I've lost literally hundreds (probably over a thousand) hours of my life to this thing, so now that it's up and running I'm basically out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --IYZqNLc6qSwf+bnC--