Received: from localhost ([::1]:40254 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SGawQ-0002qE-T2; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:04:55 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:39711 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SGawJ-0002q7-9L for wikichanges@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:04:52 -0700 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:04:47 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:04:47 -0700 To: wikichanges@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.6 X-Spam_score_int: 26 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page fa'a as orientation was changed by gleki at 19:04 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/fa%27a%20as%20orientation [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS 0.6 TO_NO_BRKTS_DYNIP To: misformatted and dynamic rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page fa'a as orientation changed by gleki X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org The page fa'a as orientation was changed by gleki at 19:04 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/fa%27a%20as%20orientation You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=fa%27a%20as%20orientation&compare=1&oldver=1&newver=2 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 1-17 changed to +Lines: 1 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - There is a gap between simple FAhA cmavo representing nothing but position, and ''mo'i'' representing that some arbitrary object in the relationship is moving, with nothing to express simple directions. Since ''fa'a'' in its most literal interpretation from the cmavo list (a position that is "toward" something) is entirely useless, it can be reused so that combining it with another FAhA means that the event is oriented "toward" that direction.

Lojbab has proposed this, but using ''fa'a'a'' to be safe.

''to'o'', which appears to be intended to be the opposite of ''fa'a'', can indicate that the event is oriented in the opposite direction.

Actual orientations "toward" or "away from" another object can still be expressed with ''fa'azo'i'' for "toward", and ''fa'aze'o'' (which could imply that there is something else away from the object that the event is oriented toward) or ''to'ozo'i'' for "away".

Examples:
*''mi fa'abe'a catlu'' = "I look to the north"
*''mi fa'ane'i klama'' = "I go inside"
*''ko catlu to'ozo'i le carmi gusni'' = "Look away from the bright light".

This usage is far more useful than anything you can make with ''mo'i''. In "mi mo'ibe'a cadzu", am I walking north, or am I walking on ground that moves north (like a moving walkway)?

Does the child walk leftward on the ice, or does the ice get walked on leftward under the child?
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