Received: from localhost ([::1]:56163 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpm5b-00089T-MZ; Wed, 28 May 2014 15:12:52 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:36609 helo=jukni.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpm5T-00089F-1P for wikichanges@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 15:12:49 -0700 Received: by jukni.digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 28 May 2014 15:12:43 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:12:43 -0700 To: wikichanges@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page BPFK Section: Non-Contact Spatial was changed by selpa'i at 22:12 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Non-Contact%20Spatial [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page BPFK Section: Non-Contact Spatial changed by selpa'i X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org The page BPFK Section: Non-Contact Spatial was changed by selpa'i at 22:12 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Non-Contact%20Spatial You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20Non-Contact%20Spatial&compare=1&oldver=31&newver=32 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 47-52 changed to +Lines: 47-52 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ;xu do terdu'a le dakfu le tolci'o nanmu ga'u le jacfa'u:Have you gotten the sword from the old man above the waterfall? - ;mi ga'u lo ba'e tolxanri bloti cu co'e:On top of the boat, I do something.
;ma pu ga'u muvdu:What moved above you? + ;lo cipni ga'u lo bloti cu vofli:Birds are flying above the boat.
;ma pu ga'u muvdu:What moved above? {BOX} *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** {BOX()} !! cmavo: ca'u (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located in front of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is in front of. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se crane !!! See Also * {crane} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * front * in front of * forwards * to the front of !!! Usage Examples ;dy co'a klama gi'e gunta le ca'u pa moi be la molki:D started going and attacked the front-most mill. ;lo jukni ca'a dinju gasnu ca'u le mi skami jarco:A spider is actually building a web in front of my computer screen. !!! Notes "dinju" is not normally "web"; this is inferred from context because it's a spider making it. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ga'u (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located above a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is above of. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se gapru !!! See Also * {gapru} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * above * upwards * up from !!! Usage Examples ;xu do terdu'a le dakfu le tolci'o nanmu ga'u le jacfa'u:Have you gotten the sword from the old man above the waterfall? ;lo cipni ga'u lo bloti cu vofli:Birds are flying above the boat. ;ma pu ga'u muvdu:What moved above? {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ni'a (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located below a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is below. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se cnita !!! See Also * {cnita} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * below * downwards * down from !!! Usage Examples ;mi kakne lo nu reskla ni'a le vrogai:I can creep under the door. ;ko mo'i ni'a klama fo le serti:Go down the stairs. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ri'u (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located to the right of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event to the right of. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se pritu !!! See Also * {pritu} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * on the right of * rightwards * to the right of !!! Usage Examples ;le zu'a nanmu mo'i ri'u klama:The man to my left goes to my rightwards. ;lo skami be ri'u mi cu co'u cladu:The computer to my right stopped being loud. ;la .bil. sanli ri'u vi ku:Bill stands nearby to my right. ;lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu:The students are women on my left and men on my right. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ru'u (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located around or surrounding a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is located around of. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se sruri !!! See Also * {sruri} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * surrounding * annular * around !!! Usage Examples ;mi mutce le ka tatpi le nu ru'u limna:I am very tired of swimming about here. ;.a bu tengau le birka ru'u le gumri:Alice stretched her arms around the the mushroom. !!! Notes Does this work like sruri, which has "near total containment in some dimension(s)" in the notes? The ru'u limna example seems like it doesn't work, because Alice herself is not wrapped around anything. Is this word actually ''useful'' for much of anything. * For usages like ru'u limna to be retained, ru'u should mean something like "spanning around a point". The event of Alice swimming occupies an area around a certain point and the event stays within the boundaries of this area. (This would make it somewhat similar to vi'u). Another option would be to say that {ru'u} doesn't describe a full circle, but rather an arch of any length which is defined by the directional vector of the selbri. --((selpa'i)) {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ti'a (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located behind a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is behind of. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se trixe !!! See Also * {trixe} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * behind * rearwards * to the rear of !!! Usage Examples ;lo zgike sance cu klama fi lo rictu'a be ti'a le mi zdani:The musical sounds came from the forest behind my house. ;lo gunma be lo crino slanydi'u cu sanli ti'a lo crino bitmu:A mass of green towers stood behind a green wall. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: zu'a (FAHA2) !!! Proposed Definition Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located to the left of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event to the left of. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se zunle !!! See Also * {zunle} * {farna} !!! Proposed Keywords * on the left of * leftwards * to the left of !!! Usage Examples ;lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu:The students are women on my left and men on my right. ;le zu'a nanmu fa'a ri'u klama:The man to my left goes towards my right. {BOX} !! General Section Issues Most of these make no sense in front of a selbri with "mi" in the bridi, because you can't be (for example) above yourself, so "mi ga'u zutse" doesn't seem possible. * They make perfect sense. The implicitly tagged sumti is understood from context. "mi ga'u zutse" expands to "lo nu mi zutse cu gapru (zo'e)". This zo'e is usually understood to be the position of the speaker, just like the default for "pu" is the time of the speaker. However, here it very clearly means "I sit above (something)." --((selpa'i)) Does "ri'u do" mean "on your right", or "rightwards of you relative to the speaker"? Whichever it means, we need a way to say the other without leaving tenses. * I would think {ri'u do} would be the latter, while {do ri'u} is the former. - .aionys. ! 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