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(Former translation:"Truthfully, I'm occasionally paying attention.") + ;.i mi ru'i nai jundi:''I pay attention sporadically.'' !!! Notes *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** {BOX()} !! cmavo: di'i (TAhE) !!! Proposed Definition Regularly. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event occurs regularly over a certain interval. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o jai ze'a dikni !!! See Also * {na'o} * {ru'i} * {ta'e} !!! Proposed Keywords * regularly * steadily !!! Usage Examples ;.i ku'i mi di'i malsenva .oi:''However, I regularly have crappy dreams... ugh.'' ;mi di'i lo prula'i nanca cu xadzenzu'e pa roi ro detydei:''For the last year, I regularly exercised once per day.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: di'inai (TAhE*) !!! Proposed Definition Irregularly. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event occurs irregularly over a certain interval. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o jai ze'a naldikni !!! See Also * {di'i} * {na'o} * {ru'i} * {ta'e} !!! Proposed Keywords * irregularly * sporadically !!! Usage Examples ;lo smani cu di'i nai troci lo ka cpacu lo narge:''The monkey irregularly attempted to obtain the nuts.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues I don't think this needs a separate definition. Under the regularized meaning of {nai} with tenses, the meaning is self-explanatory. It should be listed under NAI, not under TAhE. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: na'o (TAhE) !!! Proposed Definition Typically. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event is typical. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval during which the typical event occurs. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {di'i} * {ru'i} * {ta'e} !!! Proposed Keywords * typically * ordinarily * usually !!! Usage Examples ;.i a'u mi na'o nelci lo skefi'a:"(With interest:) I typically like science-fiction." ;.i xu do na'o djica le nu sorpa'i:"Do you typically desire polyamity?" ;.i ta'o mi na'o se cmene zo teneb .a zo tenen lo jbopre:"By the way, I am typically called "teneb" or "tenen" by Lojbanists." !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: na'onai (TAhE*) !!! Proposed Definition Atypically. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event is atypical over a certain interval. When taggin a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also !!! Proposed Keywords * oddly * unusually * atypically !!! Usage Examples ;.i mi na'o nai birti:''I'm rarely sure.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues I don't think this needs a separate definition. Under the regularized meaning of {nai} with tenses, the meaning is self-explanatory. It should be listed under NAI, not under TAhE. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ru'i (TAhE) !!! Proposed Definition Continuously. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event occurs continuously over a certain interval. When taggin a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se ranji !!! See Also * {di'i} * {na'o} * {ta'e} !!! Proposed Keywords * continuously * over and over * all the time !!! Usage Examples ;.i .oi lo li'i mi ru'i jbobau ctuca cu se jalge lo nu mi ru'i jdika lo ka glico certu:''Ugh! Constantly teaching Lojban is what's causing my continuous decline in English proficiency.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ru'inai (TAhE*) !!! Proposed Definition Occasionally. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event occurs occasionally over a certain interval. When taggin a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se nalra'i !!! See Also * {di'i} * {na'o} * {ta'e} !!! Proposed Keywords * occasionally * now and then * once and a while * from time to time * sometimes !!! Usage Examples ;.i mi ru'i nai jundi:''I pay attention sporadically.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues I don't think this needs a separate definition. Under the regularized meaning of {nai} with tenses, the meaning is self-explanatory. It should be listed under NAI, not under TAhE. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ta'e (TAhE) !!! Proposed Definition Habitually. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event occurs habitually over a certain interval. When taggin a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o jai ze'a tcaci !!! See Also * {di'i} * {na'o} * {ru'i} !!! Proposed Keywords * habitually * habit * out of habit !!! Usage Examples ;.i .ai mi ba ta'e vreji minji lojbo bo bacru ca le nu cadzu:"I intend to habitually record my blatherings during my walks." (This one was difficult to translate directly, so this is extremely glossed.) !!! Notes !!! Issues The sense of "habit" is commonly ignored in usage in favor of a more general word indicating that the event is common/normal/ordinary. Otherwise it would make little sense to use it for events that don't involve an agent. The difference between {ta'e}'s usage and the intended meaning of {na'o} is almost undistinguishable as things stand. Current usage has {ta'e} as {fi'o jai ze'a fadni} and {na'o} is almost never used. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ta'enai (TAhE*) !!! Proposed Definition Non-habitually. Subjective time tense. Indicates that the event occurs non-habitually over a certain interval. When taggin a sumti, the sumti specifies the interval. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o jai ze'a naltcaci !!! See Also * {di'i} * {na'o} * {ru'i} !!! Proposed Keywords * non-habitually !!! Usage Examples ;.i mi ta'e nai na'e morji fi le selsne be mi gi'a na senva:"I'm not in the habit of misremembering my dreams or not dreaming at all." !!! Notes !!! Issues I don't think this needs a separate definition. Under the regularized meaning of {nai} with tenses, the meaning is self-explanatory. It should be listed under NAI, not under TAhE. {BOX} !! General Section Issues The question has been brought up, "What do these mean as tcita?". Our best guess so far has been the time during which the interval takes place. {.i broda ta'e lo brode} is {.i ta'e broda ca lo brode} (best I can explain). Note, this has actually NOT been covered in CLL. It does not state in Chapter 10, nor anywhere else in the book that I've found, that TAhE can actually be used as a tcita (it can, says machine grammar) or what it means semantically. - lindar ! Poll {POLL(pollId=>44)}{POLL} _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges