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so'e lo ponjo jugle'u cu lerfu fi su'o re lo se bacru
%%%''Most Japanese kanji have at least two pronunciations.'' + {BOX()}
!! su'o (PA) - ;__su'e__ (PA): At most (one).
la cibyska cu se kelci su'e bi remna
%%%''Tricolor is played by at most eight people.'' + !!! Definition
At least (one). Some. - ;__za'u__ (PA): More than (one).
ko za'u re'u troci
%%%''Try again!'' + !!! See Also
!!! Keywords
!!! Examples
;so'e lo ponjo jugle'u cu lerfu fi su'o re lo se bacru:''Most Japanese kanji have at least two pronunciations.''
{BOX} - ;__me'i__ (PA): Less than (all). Not all.
me'i gerku cu klama lo cevzda
%%%''Not all dogs go to heaven.'' + {BOX()}
!! su'e (PA) - ;__ji'i__ (PA): Approximately.
ji'i xa pi xa gigdo be lo remna cu xabju la terdi
%%%''Approximately 6.6 billion humans inhabit the Earth.'' + !!! Definition
At most (one). - ;__ro__ (PA): Each. All. Every.
lo srasu ro roi ri'ozma ze'o lo bitmu
%%%''The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.'' + !!! See Also
!!! Keywords
!!! Examples
;la cibyska cu se kelci su'e bi remna:''Tricolor is played by at most eight people.''
{BOX} - ;__da'a__ (PA): All except (one).
da'a drata cu ci pa mei
%%%''All but one of the others are thirty-one-somes.'' + {BOX()}
!! za'u (PA) - ;__so'a__ (PA): Almost all. All but a few.
do so'a roi lerci
%%%''You're almost always late.'' + !!! Definition
More than (one). - ;__so'e__ (PA): Most. All but a significant number.
ta so'e mei
%%%''That's most of them.'' + !!! See Also
!!! Keywords
!!! Examples
;ko za'u re'u troci:''Try again!''
{BOX} - ;__so'i__ (PA): Many. A large number.
mi ba'o cilre so'i da lo xirma lo vi cukta
%%%''I have learned a lot about horses from this book.'' + {BOX()}
!! me'i (PA) - ;__so'o__ (PA): Several. A significant number.
so'o lo pendo be mi cu simlu lo ka jinvi lo du'u xamgu sidbo
%%%''Several of my friends seem to think it's a good idea.'' + !!! Definition
Less than (all). Not all. - ;__so'u__ (PA): A few. A small number.
mi stali lo darno ze'a lo masti be li so'u
%%%''I stayed away for a few months.'' + !!! See Also
!!! Keywords
!!! Examples
;me'i gerku cu klama lo cevzda:''Not all dogs go to heaven.''
{BOX} - ;__no'o__ (PA): A vague number. Some number. A certain number.
ba lo mentu be li no'o lo minji cu sisti
%%%''After some number of minutes, the machine stopped.'' + {BOX()}
!! ji'i (PA) - ;__rau__ (PA): Enough. The right number.
xu do pu snada lo nu cpacu lo rau kelci
%%%''Did you manage to get enough players?'' + !!! Definition
Approximately. - ;__du'e__ (PA): Too many. More than the right number.
du'e cuntu ka'e fliba
%%%''Too many things could go wrong.'' + !!! See Also
!!! Keywords
!!! Examples
;ji'i xa pi xa gigdo be lo remna cu xabju la terdi:''Approximately 6.6 billion humans inhabit the Earth.''
{BOX} - ;__mo'a__ (PA): Too few. Less than the right number.
mi'a mo'a roi casnu lo ckape
%%%''We discussed the dangers too few times.'' + {BOX()}
!! ro (PA) + !!! Definition + Each. All. Every. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;lo srasu ro roi ri'ozma ze'o lo bitmu:''The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! da'a (PA) + + !!! Definition + All except (one). + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;da'a drata cu ci pa mei:''All but one of the others are thirty-one-somes.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! so'a (PA) + + !!! Definition + Almost all. All but a few. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;do so'a roi lerci:''You're almost always late.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! so'e (PA) + + !!! Definition + Most. All but a significant number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;ta so'e mei:''That's most of them.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! so'i (PA) + + !!! Definition + Many. A large number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;mi ba'o cilre so'i da lo xirma lo vi cukta:''I have learned a lot about horses from this book.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! so'o (PA) + + !!! Definition + Several. A significant number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;so'o lo pendo be mi cu simlu lo ka jinvi lo du'u xamgu sidbo:''Several of my friends seem to think it's a good idea.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! so'u (PA) + + !!! Definition + A few. A small number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;mi stali lo darno ze'a lo masti be li so'u:''I stayed away for a few months.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! no'o (PA) + + !!! Definition + A vague number. Some number. A certain number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;ba lo mentu be li no'o lo minji cu sisti:''After some number of minutes, the machine stopped.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! rau (PA) + + !!! Definition + Enough. The right number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;xu do pu snada lo nu cpacu lo rau kelci:''Did you manage to get enough players?'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! du'e (PA) + + !!! Definition + Too many. More than the right number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;du'e cuntu ka'e fliba:''Too many things could go wrong.'' + {BOX} + + {BOX()} + !! mo'a (PA) + + !!! Definition + Too few. Less than the right number. + + !!! See Also + !!! Keywords + !!! Examples + ;mi'a mo'a roi casnu lo ckape:''We discussed the dangers too few times.'' + {BOX} !!Formal definitions +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 255-256 changed to +Lines: 382-384 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ * [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/7faee6194afce4ec|The only link I ( mi'e la .lindar. ) will provide regarding "existential importing" regarding 'ro'.] * [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2005-08/caad646bf14f367f?rnum=21&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2005-08%3F#doc_d8d0beca5407594b|ji'i ?] + *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** !Proposed definitions {BOX()} !! su'o (PA) !!! Definition At least (one). Some. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;so'e lo ponjo jugle'u cu lerfu fi su'o re lo se bacru:''Most Japanese kanji have at least two pronunciations.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! su'e (PA) !!! Definition At most (one). !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;la cibyska cu se kelci su'e bi remna:''Tricolor is played by at most eight people.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! za'u (PA) !!! Definition More than (one). !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;ko za'u re'u troci:''Try again!'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! me'i (PA) !!! Definition Less than (all). Not all. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;me'i gerku cu klama lo cevzda:''Not all dogs go to heaven.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! ji'i (PA) !!! Definition Approximately. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;ji'i xa pi xa gigdo be lo remna cu xabju la terdi:''Approximately 6.6 billion humans inhabit the Earth.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! ro (PA) !!! Definition Each. All. Every. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;lo srasu ro roi ri'ozma ze'o lo bitmu:''The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! da'a (PA) !!! Definition All except (one). !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;da'a drata cu ci pa mei:''All but one of the others are thirty-one-somes.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! so'a (PA) !!! Definition Almost all. All but a few. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;do so'a roi lerci:''You're almost always late.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! so'e (PA) !!! Definition Most. All but a significant number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;ta so'e mei:''That's most of them.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! so'i (PA) !!! Definition Many. A large number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;mi ba'o cilre so'i da lo xirma lo vi cukta:''I have learned a lot about horses from this book.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! so'o (PA) !!! Definition Several. A significant number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;so'o lo pendo be mi cu simlu lo ka jinvi lo du'u xamgu sidbo:''Several of my friends seem to think it's a good idea.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! so'u (PA) !!! Definition A few. A small number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;mi stali lo darno ze'a lo masti be li so'u:''I stayed away for a few months.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! no'o (PA) !!! Definition A vague number. Some number. A certain number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;ba lo mentu be li no'o lo minji cu sisti:''After some number of minutes, the machine stopped.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! rau (PA) !!! Definition Enough. The right number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;xu do pu snada lo nu cpacu lo rau kelci:''Did you manage to get enough players?'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! du'e (PA) !!! Definition Too many. More than the right number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;du'e cuntu ka'e fliba:''Too many things could go wrong.'' {BOX} {BOX()} !! mo'a (PA) !!! Definition Too few. Less than the right number. !!! See Also !!! Keywords !!! Examples ;mi'a mo'a roi casnu lo ckape:''We discussed the dangers too few times.'' {BOX} !!Formal definitions || su'o PA | vei na'u zmadu ja dunli PA su'e PA | vei na'u mleca ja dunli PA za'u PA | vei na'u zmadu PA me'i PA | vei na'u mleca PA ji'i PA | vei na'u jibni PA da'a PA | vei na'u se sumji be lo mulno PA ro | vei ni'e mulno so'a | vei ni'e muljbi so'e | vei ni'e xabmau so'i | vei ni'e mutce so'o | vei ni'e milxe so'u | vei ni'e toltce rau | vei ni'e drani du'e | vei ni'e dukse mo'a | vei ni'e toldu'e no'o | vei ni'e co'e || !!Quantifiers || definite | :: no pa re ci vo mu xa ze bi ... da'aci da'are da'apa ro:: scalar | ::no [[ so'u ] [[ so'o ] [[ so'i ] [[ so'e ] [[ so'a ] ro:: generic | ::no [[ no'o ] ro:: subjective | :: [[ mo'a ] [[ rau ] [[ du'e ]:: __ranges__ su'o PA | ::.......................... [[PA ............................]:: za'u PA | ::.......................... PA [[............................]:: su'e PA | ::[[......................... PA] .............................:: me'i PA | ::[[.........................] PA .............................:: ji'i PA | ::................... [[...... PA ......] ........................:: || || __da'a__ da'a da'a PA | PA da'a ro | no da'a so'a | so'u da'a so'e | so'o da'a so'i | so'i da'a so'o | so'e da'a so'u | so'a da'a no | ro da'a rau | rau da'a du'e | mo'a da'a mo'a | du'e da'a no'o | no'o da'a su'o PA | su'e da'a PA da'a su'e PA | su'o da'a PA da'a za'u PA | me'i da'a PA da'a me'i PA | za'u da'a PA da'a ji'i PA | ji'i da'a PA || || Definitions in terms of ''su'o'': su'o N+1 da zo'u da broda | su'o da su'o N de zo'u ge da na du de gi da .e de broda za'u N da | su'o N+1 da su'e N da | naku su'o N+1 da me'i N da | naku su'o N da N da | su'o N da .enai su'o N+1 da da'a PA da | PA da naku || In particular: no da = me'ipa da = naku su'o da ro da = da'ano da = no da naku = naku su'o da naku || With restricted da (i.e. da poi broda): su'o da poi broda cu brode | su'o da zo'u da broda gi'e brode su'o N da poi broda cu brode | su'o N da zo'u da broda gi'e brode za'u N da poi broda cu brode | za'u N da zo'u da broda gi'e brode su'e N da poi broda cu brode | su'e N da zo'u da broda gi'e brode me'i N da poi broda cu brode | me'i N da zo'u da broda gi'e brode N da poi broda cu brode | N da zo'u da broda gi'e brode da'a Q da poi broda cu brode | da'a Q da zo'u da broda nagi'a brode || !!Internal grammar of quantifiers || quantifier | proportional / fractional fractional | [[prefix] __pi__ (indefinite / definite / prefix) proportional | simple & simple [[__fi'u__ (__ro__ & definite) / __ce'i__] simple | prefix & (indefinite / definite) prefix | __da'a__ & (__su'o__ / __su'e__ / __me'i__ / __za'u__ / __ji'i__) & __da'a__ indefinite | __so'u__ / __so'o__ / __so'i__ / __so'e__ / __so'a__ / __ro__ / __mo'a__ / __rau__ / __du'e__ / __no'o__ definite | (__no__ / __pa__ / __re__ / __ci__ / __vo__ / __mu__ / __xa__ / __ze__ / __bi__ / __so__ / __ki'o__) ... || [[ ] indicates the enclosed element is optional ... indicates the preceding element may appear one or more times / indicates either the preceding or the following element may appear & indicates the preceding, the following or both elements may appear !!!Defaults for bare prefix When a prefix is not followed by a definite or indefinite, a default value is understood: the default is ''pa'' for ''su'o'', ''su'e'', ''za'u'' and ''da'a''; ''ro'' for ''me'i''; and a vague number (perhaps ''no'o'') for ''ji'i''. !!!Two adjacent simple quantifiers *Two adjacent simple quantifiers are interpreted, when possible, as if joined with ''.e'': ro ci broda ''all three brodas, all brodas and three brodas.'' rau su'o mu broda ''enough at least five brodas, enough brodas and at least five brodas.'' su'o ci su'e bi broda ''at least three at most eight brodas'' ''at least three brodas and at most eight brodas'' ''between three and eight brodas (inclusive)'' *Two adjacent simple quantifiers are interpreted, when joining them with .e would give a contradiction, as if joined with ''.a'': me'i ci za'u ci broda ''less than three more than three brodas'' ''less than three brodas or more than three brodas'' ''i.e. other than three brodas'' mo'a du'e broda ''too few too many brodas'' ''too few brodas or too many brodas'' ''the wrong number of brodas'' !!!Proportional quantifiers re fi'u ci broda ''Two out of every three brodas.'' ''Two thirds of brodas.'' za'u vo fi'u mu broda ''More than four out of every five brodas.'' ''More than four fifths of brodas.'' du'a fi'u ro muno broda ''Too many out of all 50 broda.'' ''Too many broda, of which there are 50 in all.'' * ''ce'i'' is equivalent to ''fi'u panono'': za'u munoce'i broda ''More than half of all brodas.'' da'a cirepimu ce'i broda ''All but 32.5% of brodas.'' !!!Fractional quantifiers || piPA ''sumti'' | lo piPA si'e be ''sumti'' || When a sumti has a single referent (which may be a simple individual, a group, a set, etc.) then a fractional quantifier refers to a corresponding fraction of the referent. In particular, a fraction of a group or a set is a subgroup or subset whose cardinality is the corresponding fraction of the cardinality of the whole. When a sumti has more than one referent (e.g. ''le ci plise'') then a fractional quantifier refers to a fraction of one (which one is not specified) of the referents. Then ''pimu le ci plise'' is "half of one of the three apples. Then more generally we can define: || piPA ''sumti'' | lo piPA si'e be pa me ''sumti'' || which will also cover the case of a single referent. We may then generalize to things like ''repimu le ci plise'' for "two and a half of the three apples". !! Issues * [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/7faee6194afce4ec|The only link I ( mi'e la .lindar. ) will provide regarding "existential importing" regarding 'ro'.] * [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2005-08/caad646bf14f367f?rnum=21&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2005-08%3F#doc_d8d0beca5407594b|ji'i ?] _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges