Received: from localhost ([::1]:58458 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjc7M-0003kr-0F; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:08 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:37183 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjc7I-0003ki-NN for wikineurotic@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:06 -0700 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:04 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:04 -0700 To: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page cultural replacement lujvo was changed by Jonathan Jones at 20:11 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/cultural%20replacement%20lujvo [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikineurotic] Wiki page cultural replacement lujvo changed by Jonathan Jones X-BeenThere: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikineurotic-bounces@lojban.org The page cultural replacement lujvo was changed by Jonathan Jones at 20:11 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/cultural%20replacement%20lujvo You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=cultural%20replacement%20lujvo&compare=1&oldver=1&newver=2 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 7-13 changed to +Lines: 7-16 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Each of the cultural gismu has one or more of the following concepts included in the definition; language, community, religion, culture, country, and territory. That's precisely six things. There are so many different kinds of these things that it's rather pointless to attempt to count them. Would it not make more sense, then, to have the "aspect" be the predicate, and the specific what-have-you that "aspect" is of be the x2 place? I therefore present the following lujvo, intended to completely replace the cultural gismu and allow ''any'' country etc. to be represented in equally easy fashion. - As an example:
*"I am an Englishman" : {mi selgu'era'a la.ingland.}
*"I am a Bosnian" : {mi selgu'era'a la.bosnan.} + Some examples:
*"I am an Englishman" : {mi selgu'era'a lo glico} (Using England's cultural gismu.)
*"I am a Bosnian" : {mi selgu'era'a la.bosnan.} (Using a name since Bosnia has no gismu/lujvo/fu'ivla.)

*"I am Christian" : {mi jdara'a lo xriso} (Using Christianity's cutural gismu.)
*"I am Wiccan" : {mi jdara'a la.uikan.} (Using a name because Wicca has no gismu/lujvo/fu'ivla.) banra'a *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** Some cultures/countries/races/whatever have "cultural gismu", but most do not. These gismu are annoying for two reasons: it creates the perception that jbopre are biased towards these, and the words themselves are awfully vague. For example, take glico: x1 is English/pertains to English-speaking culture in aspect x2. If I were to say {mi glico}, am I saying that I'm a citizen of England, or that I speak English, or that I'm a descendant of English people that lives somewhere else (like France, say), or something else entirely? While you could argue that that's what the x2 place is for, it's really a rather backwards way of doing things. Each of the cultural gismu has one or more of the following concepts included in the definition; language, community, religion, culture, country, and territory. That's precisely six things. There are so many different kinds of these things that it's rather pointless to attempt to count them. Would it not make more sense, then, to have the "aspect" be the predicate, and the specific what-have-you that "aspect" is of be the x2 place? I therefore present the following lujvo, intended to completely replace the cultural gismu and allow ''any'' country etc. to be represented in equally easy fashion. Some examples: *"I am an Englishman" : {mi selgu'era'a lo glico} (Using England's cultural gismu.) *"I am a Bosnian" : {mi selgu'era'a la.bosnan.} (Using a name since Bosnia has no gismu/lujvo/fu'ivla.) *"I am Christian" : {mi jdara'a lo xriso} (Using Christianity's cutural gismu.) *"I am Wiccan" : {mi jdara'a la.uikan.} (Using a name because Wicca has no gismu/lujvo/fu'ivla.) banra'a *s1 pertains to language of s2=b2 cemra'a *s1 pertains to community s2=c2 jdara'a *s1 pertains to religion of s2=l2 klura'a *s1 pertains to culture of s2=k2 selgu'era'a *s1=sg1 pertains to country s2=sg2 tutra'a *s1 pertains to territory of s2=t2 _______________________________________________ Wikineurotic mailing list Wikineurotic@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikineurotic