Received: from localhost ([::1]:34124 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sui5E-0000Yb-Ss; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:47:48 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:52078 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sui52-0000YL-SW for wikineurotic@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:47:46 -0700 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:47:36 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:47:36 -0700 To: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page Alternate Orthographies was changed by gleki at 10:46 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Alternate%20Orthographies [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikineurotic] Wiki page Alternate Orthographies changed by gleki X-BeenThere: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikineurotic-bounces@lojban.org The page Alternate Orthographies was changed by gleki at 10:46 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Alternate%20Orthographies You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Alternate%20Orthographies&compare=1&oldver=11&newver=12 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 6-14 changed to +Lines: 6-11 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ *It's been proposed to use acute accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1. '''I assume you mean one of { ` }?''' ** Accute = /; grave = \. - *((Capitals as letter names)) - *How about ((Lojban calligraphy))? - !!!Extant Scripts *((The Book)) describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by ((Ivan Derzhanski)). The equivalences are as you'd expect; ''y'' is represented by the hard sign (as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, ' was represented by the soft sign, but in the Book ' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 27-45 changed to +Lines: 24-37 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ **Eek, you just beat me to suggesting it! **Sorry! [http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/smileys/4.gif] - * How's about a ((Georgian Orthography))?
* ((jbopomofo))
+ *How's about a ((Georgian Orthography))?
*((jbopomofo)) !!!Fictional Scripts - *The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html|Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm|Tengwar] has been ((Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban)). The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/|Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide. **__((Why Tengwar?))__ <- [[discussion on whether this is a Good Thing] *The ((Apollonian alphabet)) has also been proposed. *((pne|I)) have also played around with a ((Verdurian orthography)). - See also ((Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies)). - !!!Original Scripts *((Original lojban orthography|Proposal for a totally original orthography for lojban)) - *Lindar's [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f|larlermorna] *[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD|ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html|Elian script] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 47-49 changed to +Lines: 39-40 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ * ((R2D2 Lojban)) * ((Proper Lojban Orthography)) - *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** See also ((Lojban Ideography)) !!!Latin *A ((Loglan))-compatible orthography for the purposes of rapproachment with the ((TLI)) has been proposed: [http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html] . Since the rapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo. *((And Rosta)) is notorious for using (''but only prior to the baseline and publication of ((Codex Woldemar|Woldy))!'') and ((Mark Shoulson)) is still sympathetic to, ((apostropheless alternative orthographies)). *It's been proposed to use acute accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1. '''I assume you mean one of { ` }?''' ** Accute = /; grave = \. *((Capitals as letter names)) *How about ((Lojban calligraphy))? !!!Extant Scripts *((The Book)) describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by ((Ivan Derzhanski)). The equivalences are as you'd expect; ''y'' is represented by the hard sign (as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, ' was represented by the soft sign, but in the Book ' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged. *Adam & .aulun. have given us a ((Hebrew Orthography)) finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban). *I propose an ((Arabic Orthography)) -- mi'e filip. ** ( one is documented [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b|here] ) *((kreig.daniyl.)) has written an orthography for ((estrangela)). *A ((Katakana Orthography)) is being mooted. *About to lose his last sense for rationality, .aulun.'s pondering about a ((Hiragana)) script for Lojban. :( **How about mixing Katakana and Hiragana? (!) -- tk1@despammed.com *While we're having fun with strange scripts, how about a ((Mongolian)) orthography? *Speaking of Mongolian, here's another [http://www.angelfire.com/folk/sm0p/lojban-bithe.html|Mongol orthography.] **(To be precise, it's a ((Manchu orthography)).) *And there's also a ((Devanagari orthography)) now. *Perhaps we should try a ((Hangul)) orthography. **Eek, you just beat me to suggesting it! **Sorry! [http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/smileys/4.gif] *How's about a ((Georgian Orthography))? *((jbopomofo)) !!!Fictional Scripts *The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html|Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm|Tengwar] has been ((Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban)). The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/|Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide. **__((Why Tengwar?))__ <- [[discussion on whether this is a Good Thing] *The ((Apollonian alphabet)) has also been proposed. *((pne|I)) have also played around with a ((Verdurian orthography)). See also ((Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies)). !!!Original Scripts *((Original lojban orthography|Proposal for a totally original orthography for lojban)) *Lindar's [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f|larlermorna] *[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD|ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html|Elian script] !!!Related silliness * ((R2D2 Lojban)) * ((Proper Lojban Orthography)) _______________________________________________ Wikineurotic mailing list Wikineurotic@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikineurotic