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Content preview: The page QwertAsdf was changed by lagejyspa at 17:53 UTC Comment: Answering the gismu frequency question for rab You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/QwertAsdf [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikineurotic] Wiki page QwertAsdf changed by lagejyspa X-BeenThere: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikineurotic-bounces@lojban.org The page QwertAsdf was changed by lagejyspa at 17:53 UTC Comment: Answering the gismu frequency question for rab You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/QwertAsdf You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=QwertAsdf&compare=1&oldver=1&newver=2 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 1-3 changed to +Lines: 1-3 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - QwertAsdf is when I type "Qwert", followed by "Asdf". + QwertAsdf is when I type "Qwert", followed by "Asdf". It's also what happens when a clueless newbie stumbles upon a WikiWikiWeb and can't resist trying to add a page, for whatever stupid reason. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 29-32 changed to +Lines: 29-35 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Incidentally, what are the most frequent letters for Lojban gismu (this is an apparently moot issue for the cmavo, as all combinations seem to have been exhausted)? They wouldn't be the same as English. Are the consonants fairly evenly distributed, or is there a most common one that can take the place of the T? ''Furthermore, should we count freq. by words it's in, or by frequency in actual use? The former is easier to measure, the latter makes for better keyboard designs.'' + + * The most common letter in gismu is r. Oddly, though, it's not the most common letter in any given position, which are: s-a-n-n-i, in that order. Restricting ourselves to CCVCV gismu, only, that becomes s-r-a-n-i. --gejyspa + So I downloaded the keyboard-evolver code, and seeded it with Dvorak, QWERTY, and my layout above. *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** QwertAsdf is when I type "Qwert", followed by "Asdf". It's also what happens when a clueless newbie stumbles upon a WikiWikiWeb and can't resist trying to add a page, for whatever stupid reason. ''Now, that's no way to retain newbies! ;-)'' Rob Speer came up with the following proposal for a Lojban Dvorak keyboard: English Dvorak: ' , . P Y F G C R L / = A O E U I D H T N S - ; Q J K X B M W V Z Lojban Dvorak: ; / - Y P J R K C D , = A O E U I L ' T N S . Q H Z G X B M F V W ''Is Rob's keyboard just trying to minimally rearrange the Dvorak to suit Lojbanists, or is it a true attempt to implement a layout in the Dvorak style that statistically suits Lojban as Dvorak suits English?'' * I'm trying to minimally rearrange the Dvorak. It would take much more effort to actually redo Dvorak's research using Lojban heuristics, and ideally if I typed enough in Lojban to want to use this, I'd want it to be easy to switch from Dvorak. ** If you really wanted to redo Dvorak's research for Lojban, and presumably were willing to relearn how to touch type and come up with a keyboard driver which would implement your keyboard, you could use a genetic algorithm and a very large Lojban corpus: [http://www.visi.com/~pmk/evolved.html] --((Adam)) ''Why are you favoring the slash and semicolon?'' * I didn't think of it as favoring at the time, but I suppose the keys up there are easier to get to. Very well then - this lets me change from Dvorak even less. ; , . Y P J R K C D / = A O E U I L ' T N S - Q H Z G X B M F V W Incidentally, what are the most frequent letters for Lojban gismu (this is an apparently moot issue for the cmavo, as all combinations seem to have been exhausted)? They wouldn't be the same as English. Are the consonants fairly evenly distributed, or is there a most common one that can take the place of the T? ''Furthermore, should we count freq. by words it's in, or by frequency in actual use? The former is easier to measure, the latter makes for better keyboard designs.'' * The most common letter in gismu is r. Oddly, though, it's not the most common letter in any given position, which are: s-a-n-n-i, in that order. Restricting ourselves to CCVCV gismu, only, that becomes s-r-a-n-i. --gejyspa So I downloaded the keyboard-evolver code, and seeded it with Dvorak, QWERTY, and my layout above. So much for my big ideas - my layout only slightly better than Dvorak in the first round. The results are at: ((Evolved Lojban Keyboard)) _______________________________________________ Wikineurotic mailing list Wikineurotic@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikineurotic