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General Section Notes - # The definition of __me__ corresponds to the basic relation __''Among''__ as formalized in [http://philosophy.syr.edu/mckay.html], which also agrees with the definition as given in CLL. + # The definition of __me__ corresponds to the basic relation __''Among''__ as formalized in the book ''Plural Predication'' (Oxford University Press, 2006) by [http://thecollege.syr.edu/profiles/pages/mckay-thomas.html|Thomas McKay], which also agrees with the definition as given in CLL. # The interpretation proposed for a ME-converted sumti with __moi__ is an extension of the definition for n-moi as n-th. # The second argument of __mei__ is changed with respect to CLL, to make it more useful and more in line with the rest of the system. + *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** {BOX()} !! cmavo me (ME) !!! Proposed Definition Converts a sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure ''"x1 is/are among the referents of the sumti"''. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {me'u} * {moi} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;xu do djica lo nu do me mi'a:"Do you want to be one of us?" !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo me'u (MEhU) !!! Proposed Definition Terminator for ME. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {me} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo moi (MOI) !!! Proposed Definition Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is ''"x1 is/are the ''[[number]''th among x2 by rule x3"''. More generally, for any sumti the place structure is ''"x1 is/are the one(s) among x2 that correspond(s) to ''[[number/lerfu/sumti]'' by rule x3"''. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See also * {me} * {mei} * {si'e} * {cu'o} * {va'e} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;ma xamoi le te minde i xamoi le te minde fa lo nu na catra:"Which is the sixth commandment? The sixth commandment is, Thou shalt not kill." ;ju'i do'u do tolcliva le ba'e romoi be le papri be la internet i a'o do pu zanfri lo nu catlu i caku ko tolcikygau le do skami gi'e barkla gi'e kelci:"Attention: You have reached the very last page of the Internet. We hope you have enjoyed your browsing. Now turn off your computer and go outside and play." ;la cerni tarci cu romoi lo tarci poi ka'e se viska pu lo nu co'a donri:"The morning star is the last star that's visible before the dawning of the day." ;le mi dinju cu da'apamoi le zunle:"My building is the one before last on the left hand side." ;le ro relselxi'u cu mitsi'umlu i ta'i ma da djuno lo du'u makau me da moi:"All the bicycles looked alike. How could you tell which one was yours!" ;ta me mi moi:"That's mine." !!! Notes !!! Issues klaku: The moi3 is not very well defined. Is it a process by which to order? In that case, describing the process will lead to a very long sumti, which is not practical. I suggest that it is a {ka}, so that lo moi is ordered such that those with most of the property are before those with less of the property. Thus, "second in shortness" is {remoi fi loka tordu}, rather than something involving a description of an elobate process. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo mei (MOI) !!! Proposed Definition Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is ''"x1 are ''[[number]'' in number among x2"''. In general for any sumti the place structure is ''"x1 is/are among x2, quantified by ''[[number/lerfu/sumti]''"''. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {me} * {moi} * {si'e} * {cu'o} * {va'e} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;ko drisla lo nuntolji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'i mei .i ku'i ko geisla lo nunji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'u mei:"Mourn the losses because they are many but celebrate the victories because they are few." !!! Notes !!! Issues * [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/3006bf2178e9175e|Issues] klaku: The definitions for this cmavo are many and contradicting. CLL states 3 or four te sumti, this page's definition 2, and valsi/vlasisku states 3 te sumti. Also, it is not clear what mei3 is supposed to be. I suggest the other definitions be changed to match this one, with only 2 te sumti. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo si'e (MOI) !!! Proposed Definition Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is ''"x1 is/are a ''[[number]''th of x2"''. In general for any sumti the place structure is ''"x1 is a part/fraction of x2, quantified by ''[[number/lerfu/sumti]''"''. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {me} * {mei} * {moi} * {cu'o} * {va'e} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;lo so'i tadni cu zabna se ctuca lo gubni ckule .i ku'i lo go'i cu mo'a si'e lo ro mei:"Many students get a first-rate education in the public schools, but they represent too small a fraction of the whole." !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo cu'o (MOI) !!! Proposed Definition Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure is ''"x1 has an expectation/probability ''[[number/lerfu/sumti]'' under conditions x2"''. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {me} * {mei} * {moi} * {si'e} * {va'e} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;la'e di'u cu mu no ce'i cu'o :"That has a fifty percent chance of happening." !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo va'e (MOI) !!! Proposed Definition Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure ''"x1 has value ''[[number/lerfu/sumti]'' on scale x2"''. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also * {me} * {moi} * {mei} * {si'e} * {cu'o} !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;ui lo mi prosa cu .abu va'e:"Yay! My essay was graded with an 'A'." !!! Notes !!! Issues The CLL has: * lei ratcu poi zvati le panka cu so'umei lo'i ratcu * The-mass-of rats which are-in the park are a-fewsome with-respect-to the-set-of rats. * The rats in the park are a small number of all the rats there are. Which I don't think fits with mei as we use it at all; either the definition here or the CLL needs changing. !!Formal definitions || MOI ''x1'' ''number'' moi ''x2'' ''x3'' | ''x1'' me ''x2'' gi'e lidne da'a ''number'' me ''x2'' ''x3'' ''x1'' ''number'' mei ''x2'' | ''x1'' me ''x2'' gi'e klani li ''number'' lo se gradu be ''x2'' ''x1'' ''number'' si'e ''x2'' | ''x1'' pagbu ''x2'' gi'e klani li ''number'' lo se gradu be ''x2'' ''x1'' ''number'' cu'o ''x2'' | ''x1'' se pacna zi'o li ''number'' va'o ''x2'' ''x1'' ''number'' va'e ''x2'' | ''x1'' se merli zi'o li ''number'' ''x2'' || !! General Section Notes # The definition of __me__ corresponds to the basic relation __''Among''__ as formalized in the book ''Plural Predication'' (Oxford University Press, 2006) by [http://thecollege.syr.edu/profiles/pages/mckay-thomas.html|Thomas McKay], which also agrees with the definition as given in CLL. # The interpretation proposed for a ME-converted sumti with __moi__ is an extension of the definition for n-moi as n-th. # The second argument of __mei__ is changed with respect to CLL, to make it more useful and more in line with the rest of the system. _______________________________________________ Wikineurotic mailing list Wikineurotic@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikineurotic