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Content preview: The page BPFK Section: Intensifiers was changed by Ilmen at 14:38 CEST Comment: Vertical spacing You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Intensifiers [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikineurotic] Wiki page BPFK Section: Intensifiers changed by Ilmen X-BeenThere: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikineurotic-bounces@lojban.org The page BPFK Section: Intensifiers was changed by Ilmen at 14:38 CEST Comment: Vertical spacing You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Intensifiers You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20Intensifiers&compare=1&oldver=22&newver=23 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 2-6 changed to +Lines: 2-5 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !! Proposed Definition of ''cai'' - ;__cai__ (CAI): Intensity Indicator. Used to express an extremely intense attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that this attitude is extremely intense. Highest part of a seven point scale. See also: sai, ru'e, cu'i, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: intense emotion +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 17-21 changed to +Lines: 16-19 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !! Proposed Definition of ''cu'i'' - ;__cu'i__ (CAI): Intensity Indicator. Used to express a neutral attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that neither this attitude nor its opposite applies. Middle point of a seven point scale. See also: cai, sai, ru'e, nai, pei, the preface. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 31-35 changed to +Lines: 29-32 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !! Proposed Definition of ''pei'' - ;__pei__ (CAI): Indicator Question. Attached to an indicator or vocative, asks the listener for an intensity for which that word applies to the listener's attitude. Otherwise it asks for the attitude (UI and intensity) of the listener. See also: cai, sai, ru'e, cu'i, nai, the preface. ** Keywords: emotion ?, emotional question +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 54-58 changed to +Lines: 51-54 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !! Proposed Definition of ''ru'e'' - ;__ru'e__ (CAI): Intensity Indicator. Used to express a weak attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that this attitude is particularly weak. Just above the middle position of a seven-point scale. See also: cai, sai, cu'i, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: weak emotion +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 67-71 changed to +Lines: 63-66 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !! Proposed Definition of ''sai'' - ;__sai__ (CAI): Attitudinal Intensity Indicator. Used to express a strong attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that this attitude is strong. Just below the top position of a seven-point scale. See also: cai, ru'e, cu'i, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: strong emotion *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** ! Proposed Definitions And Examples !! Proposed Definition of ''cai'' ;__cai__ (CAI): Intensity Indicator. Used to express an extremely intense attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that this attitude is extremely intense. Highest part of a seven point scale. See also: sai, ru'e, cu'i, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: intense emotion !! Examples of ''cai'' Usage ''.oi cai le mi puzu se prami cu jai tcica fi le nu jbera le jdini .i je na xruti''%%% (Extreme complaint), my long-ago beloved is involved with deceiving someone into lending money, and didn't return it. %%% Holy Fucking Shit! My old ex is a thief! ''.uu cai do bilma fi ma''%%% That's so awful! You poor thing! What are you ill with? !! Proposed Definition of ''cu'i'' ;__cu'i__ (CAI): Intensity Indicator. Used to express a neutral attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that neither this attitude nor its opposite applies. Middle point of a seven point scale. See also: cai, sai, ru'e, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: neutral emotion !! Examples of ''cu'i'' Usage ''.i mi na sipna .ui cu'i''%%% I'm not asleep, meh. ''ju'o cu'i la lojban cu racli bangu i ku'i ju'o sai lo jbopre ta'e na racli prenu''%%% I'm not certain if Lojban is a rational language, but I am very sure that Lojbanists are habitually not rational people. !! Proposed Definition of ''pei'' ;__pei__ (CAI): Indicator Question. Attached to an indicator or vocative, asks the listener for an intensity for which that word applies to the listener's attitude. Otherwise it asks for the attitude (UI and intensity) of the listener. See also: cai, sai, ru'e, cu'i, nai, the preface. ** Keywords: emotion ?, emotional question !! Examples of ''pei'' Usage ''ii ro'a fi'i pei''%%% (Social fear) Am I welcome?%%% Ehhh, I hope I'm not interrupting anything ... ''je'e pei doi la xalbo''%%% Did you get it, Frivolous?%%% ''.i .au pei mi'o klama''%%% Do you want us to go? ''mu'a pei''%%% Such as? ''.ie pei li re ce li re cu se pamei''%%% Do you agree that 2 in a set with 2 is a set with one member? !! Proposed Definition of ''ru'e'' ;__ru'e__ (CAI): Intensity Indicator. Used to express a weak attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that this attitude is particularly weak. Just above the middle position of a seven-point scale. See also: cai, sai, cu'i, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: weak emotion !! Examples of ''ru'e'' Usage ''i la camgusmis cusku zo lobjan u'i ru'e''%%% Heh, Camgusmis said "Lobjan". ''.oi ru'e mi pu zi ze'a jitro le skami pe le mi mamta sepi'o la'o gy VNC gy ce'o la'o gy ssh gy''%%% I am mildly annoyed about just spending a while controlling my mother's computer with VNC, then with ssh. !! Proposed Definition of ''sai'' ;__sai__ (CAI): Attitudinal Intensity Indicator. Used to express a strong attitude. When following an indicator or vocative, it expresses that this attitude is strong. Just below the top position of a seven-point scale. See also: cai, ru'e, cu'i, nai, pei, the preface. ** Keywords: strong emotion !! Examples of ''sai'' Usage ''.oi sai mi pu ze'u denpa le nu mi te benji le se dunda le mi mamta .i ku'i mutce nabmi''%%% Agh. I waited for a long time for the receipt of a present from my mother. However, it's very problematic. ''.u'i sai xu do djica lo nu catra ba'e ro sfani''%%% Hahaha! Do you want to kill __all__ flies? ! Notes On occasion, members of selma'o COI has been combined with pei with the intended meaning of a "vocative question". For instance, "je'e pei" is used to mean "Did you understand that?" The CLL does not explicitly address such constructs. The present proposal expressly permits this usage, and is based on an interpretation of disparate parts of the CLL in context, as well as established usage patterns. ! Impact Clarified the meaning of COI + pei. ! Issues Summary from the mailing list: * 2. How does "pei" work? ** 2a. Does ".uipei" express any degree of happiness on the part of the speaker? Does it imply ".ui", as ".uidai" might? ** 2b. Does ".uipei" ask about the listener's happiness, or the speaker's? Is it "how happy are you?" or "tell me how happy I am?" ** 2c. Is ".uipei" in any way an expression of anything, or merely a request that the interlocutor express themself (using ".uiCAI")? If it's not an expression of anything it differs notably from every other ".uiCAI" construction in its semantics, but, well, see the two questions above for why the alternative gets weird. *** Mostly, everybody but PC agrees on how "pei" works for the most part, but can't phrase it in a precise enough way to satisfy him that we have our act together. (I for one am OK with this, since we all agree unambiguously about syntax, even PC, and very slight variations from speaker to speaker in matters of semantics are part of any spoken language.) ! 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