Received: from mail-qy0-f153.google.com ([209.85.221.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O91di-0007q5-Vt; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:49:37 -0700 Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17sf1703636qyk.21 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:49:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:message-id:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=8JVEwVy75cgAUU42sHVAkUVfHWl78YQ9+C/iS9m0EY4=; b=FDJ171TAl0FaUGZikIsXFGRehJUlsfw9O3RENzuWprzRi/LdRw7zPQDfOFBS45cXeZ q8QpFeqor10d8M1y0gDo3Q+ZlusK7rnYdi1Qsie0r5hbpoT/XYUYueAgLpiEbMXTYem9 ahlfrspDQEVEfJhFK3f4lSsF+vnnaVYOj+Qnw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=THSu7shgkeTKPy5RIkIE/nH4qeTyIYeb0KKpFP0g2rOmXvmEQSq6VBgavuZuV603Jg xM9vAAAYgFX8D5SoGX10ALbt4l9KVfcJbiUIX7xlW+wKoPf+vmVjGEdpd9yRMtGbkgM9 lcUfE+ZmhY+wUj3kG9koRnSU1aQVadLcZ69gY= Received: by 10.229.10.211 with SMTP id q19mr193108qcq.14.1272916139786; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.10.160 with SMTP id p32ls67703305qcp.2.p; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.82 with SMTP id hd18mr701330qcb.23.1272916139304; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.82 with SMTP id hd18mr701329qcb.23.1272916139282; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si676608qyk.9.2010.05.03.12.48.59; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=cbUT6B7wEcA8xSNNYfl1w4X1FOlyJIGpOcdyq2z1u20= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=Bjm9RTUBjJ0wTmGY5p8A:9 a=yHBcRu_z-E7IeAzk7Ck0ZK6175sA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:48491] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 38/B1-17658-AA82FDB4; Mon, 03 May 2010 19:48:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C9929C7 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [bpfk] Henry is on Liza's right Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:48:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005031548.54031.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1196 This came up during discussions of "ca'u". Suppose I'm facing north and Henry is facing east and Liza is south of Henry. One could try saying: la lizbet. ninmu ri'u la xenrix. ma'i ri ti'a la xenrix. ma'i mi The problem with that is that two sumti are stuffed into the "ma'i" place, and unless quantifiers are involved, order of sumti doesn't matter (although an unusual order may emphasize something). I propose this solution: la lizbet. ninmu ri'u la xenrix. pe ma'i ri ti'a la xenrix. pe ma'i mi This parses in both camxes and jbofi'e, and the prepositional phrase "ma'i mi" attaches to "ti'a la xenrix" and not to the selbri. I don't know how to say this with a bare tense marker. "mi ga'uku pema'i le loldi ku zutse" doesn't parse (and I don't have a clue how to say it in Gahuku). Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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