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Lopresto" To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] The Case for UI. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: adam@pubcrawler.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 128.252.21.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of adam@pubcrawler.org) smtp.mail=adam@pubcrawler.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1791 On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Lindar wrote: >> The Case for UI. >> (or ".AI KARAMBA") > > My initial reaction: > > 1- If you want to express an explicitly emotional attitude, you can > always add the modifier "ro'i" to an attitudinal. Most attitudinals, > even those of VV form, are not about expressing pure emotion. > > 2- Uttering a proposition is not equivalent to asserting it. > Expressing an attitude about a proposition is not "changing" the > proposition. For some weird reason, many people are convinced that the > only use propositions have is for making assertions. It isn't. It is > something of the default use, but nowhere near the only use. If you > want to be explicit that you are making an assertion, you can indicate > that with "ju'a". +1 {ju'a} can be used to explicitly assert a propositon. {da'i} can be used to explicitly override any realis interpretation another attitudinal would ten= d to lend an utterence, and {da'i nai} can explicitly force a realis reading. Other than that, context wins. > 3- We should definitely assign some meaning to the gismu "ramba". Any > suggestions? Unfortunately it conflicts with {rambo}, and *I'm* not gonna be the one to stand up to a shirtless Sly Stallone. --=20 Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ Red meat is NOT bad for you. Now, blue-green meat, that's REALLY BAD for you. --Tommy Smothers --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.