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2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > General Negators has just been made GREEN by me and is ready for review=
.
>
> Where do we do our reviews? I'm not too happy with this example:
>
> .i.ienai mi na go'i
> "[Disagreement] I will not do that."
>
> "I will not do that" sounds like "I don't intend to do that", i.e. a
> refusal to do something someone else has asked them to do. Without
> context it's impossible to tell, it might actually mean that the
> speaker truly is disagreeing with something said about them rather
> than refusing to do something asked of them, in which case "ie nai"
> would be appropraite, but without context the English doesn't really
> suggest that.
>
> Then there is the usual problem, does "ienai broda" mean that the
> speaker disagrees about "broda" being true, or do they disagree about
> the preceding statement being true, and offer "broda" to oppose it? I
> think it should be disagreement about broda, since the other should be
> "ienai .i broda", but I'm sure someone else will want to say that the
> speaker is actually asserting "broda".
>
> If we want to avoid the whole discussion, I suggest changing to
> something like, for example:
>
>  ie nai .i ta ba'e na blanu
>  "No, that's NOT blue."
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>

Go ahead and change it, then.

Personally, I would say {.i.ienai ta ba'e na blanu}. If I wanted to disagre=
e
about {ta ba'e na blanu}, I would say {ta ba'e na.ienai blanu}.

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.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d=
o
zo'o
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; General Negators has just been made GREEN by me and is ready for revie=
w.<br>
<br>
</div>Where do we do our reviews? I&#39;m not too happy with this example:<=
br>
<br>
.i.ienai mi na go&#39;i<br>
&quot;[Disagreement] I will not do that.&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;I will not do that&quot; sounds like &quot;I don&#39;t intend to do t=
hat&quot;, i.e. a<br>
refusal to do something someone else has asked them to do. Without<br>
context it&#39;s impossible to tell, it might actually mean that the<br>
speaker truly is disagreeing with something said about them rather<br>
than refusing to do something asked of them, in which case &quot;ie nai&quo=
t;<br>
would be appropraite, but without context the English doesn&#39;t really<br=
>
suggest that.<br>
<br>
Then there is the usual problem, does &quot;ienai broda&quot; mean that the=
<br>
speaker disagrees about &quot;broda&quot; being true, or do they disagree a=
bout<br>
the preceding statement being true, and offer &quot;broda&quot; to oppose i=
t? I<br>
think it should be disagreement about broda, since the other should be<br>
&quot;ienai .i broda&quot;, but I&#39;m sure someone else will want to say =
that the<br>
speaker is actually asserting &quot;broda&quot;.<br>
<br>
If we want to avoid the whole discussion, I suggest changing to<br>
something like, for example:<br>
<br>
 =A0ie nai .i ta ba&#39;e na blanu<br>
 =A0&quot;No, that&#39;s NOT blue.&quot;<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div></blockquote></div><br>Go ahead and change it=
, then.<br><br>Personally, I would say {.i.ienai ta ba&#39;e na blanu}. If =
I wanted to disagree about {ta ba&#39;e na blanu}, I would say {ta ba&#39;e=
 na.ienai blanu}.<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmima le=
 bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to=
 the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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