Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P52L4-000363-1h; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:48 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf2661339gya.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w6e5K1tAfwy1y4I1L2z8+piLHTtFpgyApqzahuSg2xM=; b=H9S9wuH3jHmaSNzabml6ACQZgBJRbW3GkXlgCqf6t/Goq6WpBmIO9f5kdalwjuCpiM 0hOT0UyQHOc/z88jvoPzAevfQt0KYiKhdx5dc47oe3BszoCAW1UyiV3FSyZRuLEjGtUu WAMcVq9JeIPNKgtPRn78Izkt0InPN721Ib5hw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wz03rx143acbmMMNZET4Y4l3zjjOnrmxerhNKrnbcsPTFJqhjSxC8mPwMKZIxhuge+ qwD1YgR944JPlUmEPIfOxLAhvg6k5wahxaItTJwlWOp8lWgVxVIxKHjY3gpKmNZ3TzjM +Bavc/U8y05xyM68OOoqhEdJrUvklqid35Pa8= Received: by 10.101.151.37 with SMTP id d37mr66885ano.7.1286741854112; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.68.15 with SMTP id q15ls501790ana.2.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.126.13 with SMTP id y13mr1498470anc.30.1286741853545; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.126.13 with SMTP id y13mr1498469anc.30.1286741853531; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t14si3657608ana.1.2010.10.10.13.17.33; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.47; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101010201732.UEZL14030.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:17:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id H8HY1f00B3Xcbvq028HY6E; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:17:32 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zpAh8NT9SzMisnlzmt6xnbL/Bv7XoKhaPoxN5FSWxDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=S3LVdIH7hyUh-tZQ0BgA:9 a=S9hEe1Hdai3LAdeYJh0A:7 a=Oeb6_IG-tQKSKx7WVHdThCWubCEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CB21FAC.80104@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:18:52 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1FC05.4030108@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1862 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > The proposed "di'ai" cannot be added to any selma'o, because it is a > meta-syntactic indication to the pre-parser to merge two texts into > one before parsing, it is not something that can be part of the formal > grammar. It has to be processed before you feed the input to the > parser, indeed as part of deciding what to feed to the parser. If it is a word in Lojban then it is part of some selma'o. A few=20 selma'o in the current (YACC baseline) language are necessarily=20 processed by a preparser, and do not even have stated rules in the grammar. >>The other observation is that whatever we are trying for is metalinguisti= c >>in nature, and thus can probably be expressed using SEI. >=20 > Not really. SEI is meta-semantic, but what some people are asking for > is meta-syntactic, which is not somethiing SEI can handle. SEI can handle whatever we want it to handle, by definition, so long as=20 it can be stated in Lojban. It is possible in SEI to state that the=20 current text is to be rewritten in reverse and reparsed on that basis,=20 or any other silly rule, for that matter. Similarly, the limits on vocatives are whatever we deem them to be. One=20 can probably come up with cases that cause problems under any rule (like=20 what happens if you interrupt someone's incomplete vocative or=20 metalinguistic statement). But I suspect that could happen no matter=20 what solution you come up with. (Does Lojban have to accept a Godel's=20 Theorem limitation?) lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.