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Subject: [bpfk] {.i} and {ni'o}, continuation or new jufra
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This thread is so completely unrelated to BPFK work that I feel we really
ought to move it to a new thread by now.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2010/10/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > The problem I thought was being discussed was how to identify somethin=
g
>> as
>> > syntactically part of someone else's text.
>>
>> You seemed to be arguing that that was the case by default, and you
>> needed a FAhO to break that default, which is contrary to everything I
>> have ever learned about Lojban.
>>
>> Let me put it this way:
>>
>> A:  (something that parses correctly on its own)
>> B:  (something that parses correctly on its own)
>>
>> My default assumption is that what A said is one text, and what B said
>> is another text. In some special cases, B may be adding something to
>> A's text, but normally they are just responding to A's text with their
>> own new text.
>>
>> That's the Lojban I have learned starting from your lessons. Is that
>> not your current understanding too?
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>
> If what B says is parsable, but would cause jbofi'e to say "selbri may be
> missing on line x column x", then I would probably assume that it is a
> continuation. That's the first thing I look for to determine if the new
> speaker's utterance is a case of continuation or of an elided {.i}. Howev=
er,
> that assumption really depends on context more than anything else.
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu
> do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>
In the case of:

A: [bridi]
B: [bridi]

I would likely assume B was not continuing A's jufra, as if they had said:

A: .i [bridi]
B: .i [bridi]
--=20
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d=
o
zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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This thread is so completely unrelated to BPFK work that I feel we really o=
ught to move it to a new thread by now.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div class=3D"im">2010/10/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Robert LeChevalier &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt; wrote:<d=
iv class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The problem I thought was being discussed was how to identify somethin=
g as<br>
&gt; syntactically part of someone else&#39;s text.<br>
<br>
</div></div><div class=3D"im">You seemed to be arguing that that was the ca=
se by default, and you<br>
needed a FAhO to break that default, which is contrary to everything I<br>
have ever learned about Lojban.<br>
<br>
Let me put it this way:<br>
<br>
A: =A0(something that parses correctly on its own)<br>
B: =A0(something that parses correctly on its own)<br>
<br>
My default assumption is that what A said is one text, and what B said<br>
is another text. In some special cases, B may be adding something to<br>
A&#39;s text, but normally they are just responding to A&#39;s text with th=
eir<br>
own new text.<br>
<br>
That&#39;s the Lojban I have learned starting from your lessons. Is that<br=
>
not your current understanding too?<br>
<div><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div></div></blockquote></div><br>If what B says i=
s parsable, but would cause jbofi&#39;e to say &quot;selbri may be missing =
on line x column x&quot;, then I would probably assume that it is a continu=
ation. That&#39;s the first thing I look for to determine if the new speake=
r&#39;s utterance is a case of continuation or of an elided {.i}. However, =
that assumption really depends on context more than anything else.<div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmima le=
 bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to=
 the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>In the case of:<br><br>A: [bridi]<br>B: =
[bridi]<br clear=3D"all"><br>I would likely assume B was not continuing A&#=
39;s jufra, as if they had said:<br><br>A: .i [bridi]<br>B: .i [bridi]<br>
-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmima le ben=
de pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the=
 Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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