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Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> w=
rote:
>=20
>>Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>>
>>>A:  ie pei melbi donri
>>>B:  nai
>>
>>Obviously then I would have to "explain" the text as "ungrammatical".  %^=
)
>>
>>It doesn't parse as it is, and the machine grammar doesn't recognize the
>>possibility of multiple texts of that sort.
>=20
> So you think that conversation is invalid Lojban?

No.

The formal grammar considers that to be invalid Lojban, since it does=20
not recognize "A:" and "B:" or the existence of multiple speakers or=20
multiple texts.

I consider that the formal grammar is incomplete, and necessarily so.

>>As B, I would feel obliged to use ".ienai go'i" if I wanted it to be
>>"correct" Lojban, though I guess just "ienai" would work just as well in
>>this instance. (If CLL has the above as an example, of course, I just say
>>"we didn't think about that when John wrote it")
>=20
> I didn't check if it has the exact example, but "nai" is a valid text.
> What do you think it's for?

I don't remember what I had in mind (if anything).  I just verified that=20
TLI's grammar of the time did not have it.  But it is possible that it=20
was added before the Negation paper was written and was never really=20
thought about.  Perhaps it was as I think your example above implies,=20
that it is a plausible answer to a pei question. (But remember that up=20
until around 1992 we had a defined grammar for UI strings as well, which=20
was removed as superfluous).

lojbab

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