Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5N2L-0004KX-Dw; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:54 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf1433721ywo.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FujCsLFfHRSZfgbjqd+8w9Fa7J9c7fiTkTRG6bEl9io=; b=s5ct4Dii7WxbS2HIge+rNYsfH9l2/5x9zDiWvokxzQnP2NfrQuqJjl3m9mgDVSeUS+ fa9dPALlBIawAJDlNpxlKUUrz8dBEmQW+IobDwqQ22hEWTtDT3UGypkvNwSfP9BT1/xq P+/Xv+6S5rT4htyvBStjIGDzEx/oBr/L/ufHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YhBexRd/yYt2tQ9zBzz3LcEp1Y50rOHLw6qs01Gv59VGcGYFbGRxcqwcFI67GPltc3 pzKzUWWeF1uRyi8HXFy3csR3GqbB9HlrYfQa4Gj42fxH4NVl+72DeJgVAJF9JHlVZx2m 2jrQDbzHXreFAh/XA3PcGDqBxWpMBdLkOuVXo= Received: by 10.151.63.26 with SMTP id q26mr532487ybk.58.1286821416879; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.1.17 with SMTP id 17ls1398445yba.0.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.50.7 with SMTP id x7mr1451399ybx.52.1286821416645; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.50.7 with SMTP id x7mr1451397ybx.52.1286821416622; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q8si3102800ybk.8.2010.10.11.11.23.36; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.47; Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101011182336.RUED14030.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:23:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id HWPb1f00D3Xcbvq02WPbwC; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:23:35 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=z6CBhH0tHruS0FbwYG+vLjSarkX/HqbUMpkqCCzoucY= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=oUiLKEf7TBTSDSzCtqQA:9 a=ig7MlOvjOT0RT_F4UJvVJqzZpTUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CB355E6.7020705@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:22:30 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work References: <4CB2335F.7000606@lojban.org> <4CB253D0.1020806@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1307 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out where the idea that starting your part > of the conversation without an ".i" is somehow less than perfect > Lojban. I gave one source. But the real source is that there is no formal=20 definition for "starting a new text" - only informal ones. > No, apparently it's not from L4B. So where does this notion that > conversations are single parsable units rather than exchange of > parsable units come from? There is no formally defined plural of parsable unit. The moment you=20 claim to talk about multiple texts, you have gone beyond the formal=20 language definition. The question is whether, and how, we wish to=20 extend the formal definition of Lojban beyond a single text. >>So I agree with xorxes: we cannot assume a single text. >>It simply wouldn't work. So the formal grammar doesn't work when we go beyond a single speaker.=20 Especially when we look at actual usage. No surprise. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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