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2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> If the second line is by a second person, it's like a new text. It
> >> doesn't have to be taken as one single text.
> >
> > I don't think it /has/ to. I merely think it /should/.
>
> "Should" or "could"?
>

Should. If I had meant could, I would have said could. It's ability to be
taken as one text is not in question. We already know it "could".


>  > For the following
> > reason:
> >
> > lo verba cu cusku lu .i mi nelci lo mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. li'u .i lo vy
> mamta
> > cu cusku lu mlatu li'u .i lo verba ku .e lo mamta cu cusku lu .i mi nel=
ci
> lo
> > mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. mlatu li'u
>
> "lo verba jo'u lo mamta". With ".e" it's false, since it expands to:
>
> lo verba cu cusku lu .i mi nelci lo mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. mlatu li'u
> .ije lo mamta cu cusku lu .i mi nelci lo mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. mlatu
> li'u
>

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that.


> Anyway, I'm lost as to the point you want to make here. Sure, one
> possible interpretation of the mother's text is as completing the
> child's text. So?
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>

My point is, if something said by a second person is always treated as
separate text, how does the mother finish her child's sentence?

And since Lojban is supposed to be umambiguous, it has to be one way or the
other. Either a new speaker is always a new jufra, or only at the next {.i}=
,
which is my preferred reading. (Or listening.)

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d=
o
zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; 2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com"=
>jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt;&gt; If the second line is by a second person, =
it&#39;s like a new text. It<br>
&gt;&gt; doesn&#39;t have to be taken as one single text.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; I don&#39;t think it /has/ to. I merely think =
it /should/.<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;Should&quot; or &quot;could&quot;?<br></blockquote><div><br>Sho=
uld. If I had meant could, I would have said could. It&#39;s ability to be =
taken as one text is not in question. We already know it &quot;could&quot;.=
<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">
&gt; For the following<br>
&gt; reason:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; lo verba cu cusku lu .i mi nelci lo mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. li&#39;u .i lo=
 vy mamta<br>
&gt; cu cusku lu mlatu li&#39;u .i lo verba ku .e lo mamta cu cusku lu .i m=
i nelci lo<br>
&gt; mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. mlatu li&#39;u<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;lo verba jo&#39;u lo mamta&quot;. With &quot;.e&quot; it&#39;s =
false, since it expands to:<br>
<br>
lo verba cu cusku lu .i mi nelci lo mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. mlatu li&#39;u<br>
.ije lo mamta cu cusku lu .i mi nelci lo mi cnino .yyyyyyyy. mlatu<br>
li&#39;u<br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks. I wasn&#39;t aware of that.<br>=
=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

Anyway, I&#39;m lost as to the point you want to make here. Sure, one<br>
possible interpretation of the mother&#39;s text is as completing the<br>
child&#39;s text. So?<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br clear=3D"all"></div></blockquote></div><br>My p=
oint is, if something said by a second person is always treated as separate=
 text, how does the mother finish her child&#39;s sentence?<br><br>And sinc=
e Lojban is supposed to be umambiguous, it has to be one way or the other. =
Either a new speaker is always a new jufra, or only at the next {.i}, which=
 is my preferred reading. (Or listening.)<br>
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmima le=
 bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to=
 the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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