Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6sTi-0000F1-5p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:20 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf1346735gxk.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uh4IO5sv36TttIZdW7jxyf9eGkwoI8vKRF7Cth+HwdU=; b=1tQHCfT/S06P77f+8ZcQ1iwfQLttg8ApntQUHqRR5+0Zuk0MA2tBs+Mo2x1V6aUGjd IXfnkdi8j1WAW3dMx4sSKIHsHbhJTAvMWuxcD4hEx8/7QDsUKrtHUeDyO86t8jFB/gCp FOfSA/adfFtESLtW+z1R+nNjUd0vvRtBgDg9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m2Ad9yxDQ7wmtoYyqT9ecpbp2o0hIHho+z9vFYuyf+6vu+Va06/Vu5RvX81sBwwgYi OR7+GEQ+fa1nk95FlHzD49kV4Wwsq+7x5jUSYLXc87wSY4IAZTjKatQYpE4wesXfPvd5 73F3IHyjCO183b3FDEytlK3eJwQCD/3GAzslU= Received: by 10.150.171.15 with SMTP id t15mr39547ybe.71.1287180605381; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.1.17 with SMTP id 17ls2195679yba.0.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.95.35 with SMTP id o23mr487950yhf.18.1287180605069; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.95.35 with SMTP id o23mr487949yhf.18.1287180605050; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s31si1471447yhc.14.2010.10.15.15.10.04; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of johnwcowan@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.47; Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so665464gwb.20 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.37.7 with SMTP id k7mr333906ank.85.1287180603761; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:10:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:09:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <70c95ba0-9cc9-4639-8e30-5e486d25cf2b@q3g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <9572835c-55f6-4644-be9b-dd9601570d8d@m35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> From: John Cowan Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: johnwcowan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of johnwcowan@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=johnwcowan@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1253 2010/10/15 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > OK. I think my issue in the case of Lojban is that quantifiers need to > be fronted for them to have scope over the matrix, whereas questions > have matrix scope without being fronted. I find it somewhat dissonant. Quantifiers are just arguments, whereas questions are jufra-level modifiers that change the overall illocutionary force. They shouldn't be compared. > OK. That's how I have defined it in jbovlaste. I don't really think > that meaning particularly deserves a cmavo, but I don't need "jei" for > anything else, so I don't care. Well, what gets a NU is like what gets a BAI or a UI: fairly arbitrary. \gua-spi has a very parsimonious ontology in which only sedu'u exists, but there are problems: "having a heart" and "having a kidney" are different ka's, but everything that has a heart in fact has kidneys, so \gua-spi can't distinguish. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.