Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7vJs-0008ES-7a; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:32 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf1008219wyb.16 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-nvg-mailscanner-information:x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DE1j/675y99iBNpz9HvtsuIgt4YpCmHNEf50WsNXYwk=; b=HZvFi3ikUt9RVfWcTrn5ufPrnSBOA82MN/71E/4DRDZWV7NRhoBVvLDiyPz/6TulYL BaYSqP5FYkQ3JkCowZ7qfH5m2A+qD/5q9SK23RGmdh2xmteQxwC0yddfz5G6jcni2b4r HPEFAkqy9NngfPo4ZHAwGQ5IKKtWEwl8a9Ju4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=vgJfRqA5SGikim68aoCyjHUN3YL5DICm02dMaky/dKSMI3ENTL485NKI3nBOQKcSO6 URXUKtYZSItXFw1HqbfSS4N8iLZjvKxFRn8CTA7Qe7jZgGfhDFMu2ilyk2DsR97B4sPj Tdt+OkDnd9Rz0LFgiLu/5P3+g/LhGUmAH1ej0= Received: by 10.216.159.205 with SMTP id s55mr103671wek.12.1287429855351; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.24.73 with SMTP id w49ls482617eew.4.p; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.205 with SMTP id n53mr398991eeh.6.1287429854315; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.205 with SMTP id n53mr398990eeh.6.1287429854297; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r57si14593873eeh.5.2010.10.18.12.24.14; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:92e6:baff:fe68:dd1c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588CC9479B for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (arj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id o9IJOAsv022251 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:10 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o9IJOAWw022250 for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:10 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] What I'm going to do. Message-ID: <20101018192410.GF8367@nvg.org> References: <20101014071951.GU24066@digitalkingdom.org> <20101016180339.GG25393@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2631 On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 04:27:49PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:28:32AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> > >> Every January 1st. the BPFK publishes a very concise "State of the > >> Language" report, that looks something like this: > > > > Works for me. =A0You gonna tell them about your other idea? =A0:D >=20 > As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure. > The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore, > until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language" > report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the > final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion. >=20 > Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job > seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before > acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for > example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for > comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they > receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the > report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the > "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's > no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail. That sounds like the right way of going about things. There is of course th= e slight risk that a rogue BPFKJ might do something reckless, but in any ca= se they do not wield _absolute_ power =96 they report to the LLG, which can= remove them, and revert their changes. It is better to have a decision that stands unless a majority of the member= s are dissatisfied enough to reverse it, than to not have a decision at all= unless everyone agrees. --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Public Notice as Required by Law: Any Use of This Product, in Any Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Consumer Is Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the Universe. --Susan Hewitt and Edward Subitzky --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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