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Subject: Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi
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On Tuesday 26 October 2010 10:48:00 John Cowan wrote:
> The difference between type-3 and type-4 is relevant to fu'ivla
> construction, not to analysis.   A fu'ivla can look like a type-3
> while in fact being defined as a type-4.  For example, one could read
> "spargani'umi" as a type-3 lujvo for some sort of plant (spati) for
> which "gani'umi" is the Lojbanization, or it could be a type-4 lujvo
> for the genus _Sparganium_, the bur-reeds (which are plants).  If I
> tried harder, I could probably find a similar example with an apparent
> 4-letter rafsi.

I think that anything that *looks* like a type-3 should *be* a type-3, so if 
you're making a type-4 and you get a type-3, you have to modify it. Also two 
type-3 fu'ivla formed with different rafsi of the same gismu and the same 
foreign part, such as "fiprgado" and "finprgado", should be the same word, 
just as "mlafinpe" and "mlafi'e" are. BTW, I'd say "sparganio".

> There can be no guaranteed analysis of a fu'ivla: it's any
> brivla-shaped word that is not a gismu, lujvo, or slinku'i.  The point
> of the type-3 rules is simply to help someone reliably build a fu'ivla
> and not wind up with any of the other word forms.

Since one can follow the rules with CVV or CCV and get slinku'i or lujvo such 
as "sparklematsi" or "naurboi", fu'ivla beginning with CVV or CCV should be 
removed from type 3 and the rules rewritten accordingly.

Pierre
-- 
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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