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On Wednesday 27 October 2010 15:29:03 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> The lujvo making algorithm contains this sentence: "It is illegal to
> add a hyphen at a place that is not required by this algorithm."
>
> I propose that that sentence be removed.
>
> The PEG grammar allows a -y- hyphen after any CVC- rafsi, and it
> allows an -r- hyphen after any CVV- rafsi, no matter whether it is
> required or not.
>
> This was discussed a while ago and we decided it was ok to allow them
> even when not required. Unfortunately I have no idea how or where to
> search for that discussion.
>
> The argument was that, for example, if you are used to the form
> "cakyrespa", there is no harm in allowing the form "cakyrespyzda" as
> well even though "cakrespyzda" would also be fine.
>
> Similarly, if you are used to "li'erla'i", there should be no problem
> in allowing "tolyli'erla'i" along with "tolyli'ela'i".
>
> You should be able to build on existing lujvo without being forced to
> remove hyphens that become unnecessary in the longer form.

I agree, in the case of the y-hyphen. The r-hyphen is different. I made the=
=20
mistake of appending "-zba" to "fu'ivla" and getting "fu'ivlazba", which=20
breaks apart. The correct spelling is "fu'irvlazba". If you remove "-zba",=
=20
you get "fu'irvla", which is a fu'ivla. Allowing y-hyphens doesn't turn a=
=20
valid word of one type into a valid word of another type; allowing r-hyphen=
s=20
does.

Here's a corner case of y-hyphens: ricpurdyxrula. If you use the shorter=20
rafsi "pud", you have to insert "y" before it, else you get a tosmabru.

Pierre
--=20
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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