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Note the pattern in the cmavo: the diphthongs =93au=94, =93ei=94, =93ai=94= are used twice in the same order. The digits for A to D use consonants dif= ferent from those used in the decimal digit cmavo; E and F unfortunately ov= erlap 2 and 4 =97 there was simply not enough available cmavo space to make= a full differentiation possible. The cmavo are also in alphabetical order.

The base point =93pi=94 is used in non-decimal bases just as in base 10= :

 10.4)  li vai pi bi ju'u paxa du li pamu pi m=
u
        The-number F.8 base 16 equals the-number 15.5.
 
-Since =93ju'u=94 is an operator of selma'o VUhU, it is grammatical to use = any operand as the left argument. Semantically, however, it is undefined to= use anything but a numeral string on the left. The reason to make =93ju'u= =94 an operator is to allow reference to a base which is not a constant. +Since =93ju'u=94 is an operator of selma'o VUhU, it is grammatical to use = any operand as the left argument. Semantically, however, it is undefined to= use anything but a numeral string on the left. The reason for making =93ju= 'u=94 an operator is to allow reference to a base which is not a constant.

There are some numerical values that require a =93base=94 that varies f= rom digit to digit. For example, times represented in hours, minutes, and s= econds have, in effect, three =93digits=94: the first is base 24, the secon= d and third are base 60. To express such numbers, the compound base separat= or =93pi'e=94 is used:

 10.5)  ci pi'e rere pi'e vono
        3:22:40
 
Each digit sequence separated by instances of =93pi'e=94 is expressed in d= ecimal notation, but the number as a whole is not decimal and can only be a= dded and subtracted by special rules:
 10.6)  li ci pi'e rere pi'e vono su'i pi'e ci=
 pi'e cici du li ci pi'e rexa pi'e paci
        The-number 3:22:40 plus :3:33 equals the-number 3:26:13.
        3:22:40 + 0:3:33 =3D 3:26:13
@@ -80,21 +80,21 @@ Of course, only context tells you that the first part o=
f the numbers in 
 10.8)  pano ju'u reno
        the-digit-10 base 20
 
which is equal to ten, and:
 10.9)  pa pi'e no ju'u reno
        1;0 base 20
 
which is equal to twenty. -

Both =93pi=94 and =93pi'e=94 can be used to express large-base decimal = fractions:

+

Both =93pi=94 and =93pi'e=94 can be used to express large-base fraction= s:

 10.10) li pa pi'e vo pi ze ju'u reno du li =
re vo pi ci mu
        The-number 1;4.7 base 20 equals the-number 24.35.
 
=93pi'e=94 is also used where the base of each digit is vague, as in the n= umbering of the examples in this chapter:
 10.11) dei jufra panopi'epapamoi
        This-utterance is-a-sentence-type-of 10;11th-thing.
        This is Sentence 10.11.
 
diff --git a/18/11/index.html b/18/11/index.html index f2b3092..71762d7 100644 --- a/18/11/index.html +++ b/18/11/index.html @@ -111,58 +111,58 @@ Some examples: The number must be between 0 and 1 inclusive. For example:
 11.9)  le nu lo sicni cu sedja'o cu pimucu'o
        The event of a coin being a head-displayer has probability .5.
 

The cmavo =93va'e=94 creates a scale selbri. The place structure is:

        x1 is at scale position (n) on the scale x2
 
-If the scale is granular rather than continuous, a form like =93cifi'uxa= =94 (3/6) may be used; in this case, 3/6 is not the same as 1/2. Here is an= example: +If the scale is granular rather than continuous, a form like =93cifi'uxa= =94 (3/6) may be used; in this case, 3/6 is not the same as 1/2, because th= e third position on a scale of six positions is not the same as the first p= osition on a scale of two positions. Here is an example:
 11.10) le vi rozgu cu sofi'upanova'e xunre
        This rose is 9/10-scale red.
        This rose is 9 out of 10 on the scale of redness.
        This rose is very red.
 

When the quantifier preceding any MOI cmavo includes the subjective num= bers =93rau=94, =93du'e=94, or =93mo'a=94 (enough, too many, too few) then = an additional place is added for =93by standard=94. For example:

-11.11) le ratcu poi zvati le panka cu du'em=
ei fo mi
-       The rats which-are in the park are too-many by-standard me.
+11.11) lei ratcu poi zvati le panka cu du'e=
mei fo mi
+       The-mass-of rats which-are in the park are too-many by-standard me.
        There are too many rats in the park for me.
 
The extra place (which for =93-mei=94 is the x4 place labeled by =93fo=94)= is provided rather than using a BAI tag such as =93ma'i=94 because a speci= fication of the standard for judgment is essential to the meaning of subjec= tive words like =93enough=94.

This place is not normally explicit when using one of the subjective nu= mbers directly as a number. Therefore, =93du'e ratcu=94 means =93too many r= ats=94 without specifying any standard.

It is also grammatical to substitute a lerfu string for a number:

 11.12) ta ny.moi le'i mi ratcu
        That is-nth-of the-set-of my rats.
        That is my nth rat.
 

More complex mekso cannot be placed directly in front of MOI, due to th= e resulting grammatical ambiguities. Instead, a somewhat artificial form of= expression is required.

-

The cmavo =93me=94 (of selma'o ME) has the function of making a sumti i= nto a selbri. A whole =93me=94 construction can have a member of MOI added = to the end to create a complex mekso bridi:

+

The cmavo =93me=94 (of selma'o ME) has the function of making a sumti i= nto a selbri. A whole =93me=94 construction can have a member of MOI added = to the end to create a complex mekso selbri:

 11.13) ta me li ny. su'i pa me'u moi le'i m=
i ratcu
        That is the-number n plus one-th-of the-set-of my rats.
        That is my (n+1)-th rat.
 
Here the mekso =93ny. su'i pa=94 is made into a sumti (with =93li=94) and = then changed into a mekso selbri with =93me=94 and =93me'u moi=94. The elid= able terminator =93me'u=94 is required here in order to keep the =93pa=94 a= nd the =93moi=94 separate; otherwise, the parser will combine them into the= compound =93pamoi=94 and reject the sentence as ungrammatical.

It is perfectly possible to use non-numerical sumti after =93me=94 and = before a member of MOI, producing strange results indeed:

-11.15) le nu mi nolraitru
+11.14) le nu mi nolraitru
             cu me le'e snime bolci be vi la xel. cu'o
        The event-of me being-a-nobly-superlative-ruler
             has-the-stereotypical snow type-of-ball at Hell probability.
        I have a snowball=92s chance in Hell of being king.
 
-Note: the elidable terminator =93boi=94 is not used between a number and a= member of MOI. As a result, the =93me'u=94 in Examp= le 11.14 could also be replaced by a =93boi=94, which would serve the s= ame function of preventing the =93pa=94 and =93moi=94 from joining into a c= ompound. +Note: the elidable terminator =93boi=94 is not used between a number and a= member of MOI. As a result, the =93me'u=94 in Examp= le 11.13 could also be replaced by a =93boi=94, which would serve the s= ame function of preventing the =93pa=94 and =93moi=94 from joining into a c= ompound.
Non-decimal and compound bases
diff --git a/18/14/index.html b/18/14/index.html index cbfd95e..5e29b08 100644 --- a/18/14/index.html +++ b/18/14/index.html @@ -49,21 +49,21 @@ The =93tu'o=94 fulfills the grammatical requirement for= a left operand for the i Why are the arguments to =93gei=94 in reverse order from the conventional = symbolic notation? So that =93gei=94 can be used in forethought to allow ea= sy specification of a large (or small) imprecise number:
 14.3)  gei reno
        (scientific) two-zero
        1020
 
Note, however, that although 10 is far and away the most common exponent b= ase, it is not the only possible one. The third operand of =93gei=94, there= fore, is the base, with 10 as the default value. Most computers internally = store so-called =93floating-point=94 numbers using 2 as the exponent base. = (This has nothing to do with the fact that computers also represent all int= egers in base 2; the IBM 360 series used an exponent base of 16 for floatin= g point, although each component of the number was expressed in base 2.) He= re is a computer floating-point number with a value of 40:
 14.4)  papano bi'eju'u re gei pipanopano bi'e=
ju'u re ge'a re
        (one-one-zero base 2) scientific (point-one-zero-one-zero base 2) w=
ith-base 2
-       .1010 =D7 21102
+       .10102 =D7 21102
 

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