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Likewise, a newspaper headline say= s=20 JONES DIES, although it is obvious that the time referr= ed to must be in the past. Tense is a mandatory category of English: every = sentence must be marked for tense, even if in a way contrary to logic, beca= use every main verb has a tense marker built into to it. By contrast, Lojba= n brivla have no implicit tense marker attached to them. elided tensemeaning of space locationas part of tens= e system (see also tensespatial tense) timeas part of tense system (see also tensetemporal= tense) tense systemand space location tense systemand space location tenseselbri types applicable t= o In Lojban, the concept of tense extends to every = selbri, not merely the verb-like ones. In addition, tense structures provid= e information about location in space as well as in time. All tense informa= tion is optional in Lojban: a sentence like: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e1d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>go to market</primary><seco= ndary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 mi klama le zarci I go-to the market. - go to marketexample can be understood as: - - I went to the market. - I am going to the market. - I have gone to the market. - I will go to the market. - I continually go to the market. + can be understood as: + + I went to the market. + I am going to the market. + I have gone to the market. + I will go to the market. + I continually go to the market. + as well as many other possibilities: context resolves which is= correct. cu cueffect of tense specification tense specification= effect on elidability of terminators tense specificationef= fect on "cu" tenseposition of in sentence The placement of a tense construct within a Lojban bridi = is easy: right before the selbri. It goes immediately after the=20 cu, and can in fact always replace the=20 cu (although in very complex sentences the rules for = eliding terminators may be changed as a result). In the following examples,= =20 pu is the tense marker for=20 past time: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e1d2"/> @@ -241,27 +243,28 @@ zu'a means=20 on the left and=20 vi means=20 nearby, and there's no more to be said. The imaginary= -journey model becomes more useful when so-called compound tenses are invol= ved. A compound tense is exactly like a simple tense, but has several FAhAs= run together: =20 =20 =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e3d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>manhole</primary><secondary= >example</secondary></indexterm>=20 le nanmu ga'u zu'a batci le gerku The man [up] [left] bites the dog. - manholeexample imaginary journeystages of in compoun= d tenses compound spatial tenseexplanation of<= /indexterm> The proper interpretation of=20 + imaginary journ= eystages of in compound tenses= compound spatial tenseexplanation of The proper interpret= ation of=20 is that the imaginary jou= rney has two stages: first move from the speaker's location upward, and the= n to the left. A translation might read: Left of a place above me, the man bites the dog. (Perhaps the speaker is at the bottom of a manhole, and the do= g-biting is going on at the edge of the street.) =20 compound tense = orderingLojban contrasted with English compound tenseLojban contrasted with English in order of specification In the English translation, the keywords=20 left and=20 above occur in reverse order to the Lojban order. Thi= s effect is typical of what happens when we=20 unfold Lojban compound tenses into their English equi= valents, and shows why it is not very useful to try to memorize a list of L= ojban tense constructs and their colloquial English equivalents. @@ -426,20 +429,21 @@ Shortly earlier than some time later than now, the man wi= ll bite the dog. Soon before then, the man will have bitten the dog. The man will have just bitten the dog. The man will just have been biting the dog. compound tempor= al tensebeginning with distance only What about the analogue of an initial VA without a direction? Lojban= does allow an initial ZI with or without following PUs: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e4d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>nearby in time</primary><se= condary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 le nanmu zi pu batci le gerku The man [short] [past] bites the dog. Before a short time from or before now, the man bit or = will bite the dog. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e4d6"/> @@ -448,30 +452,31 @@ <jbo>le nanmu zu batci le gerku</jbo> <gloss>The man [long] bites the dog.</gloss> <natlang>A long time from or before now, the man will bite or bi= t the dog.</natlang> </interlinear-gloss> </example> <para> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><primary>unspecified dir= ection</primary><secondary>temporal contrasted with in spatial</secondary><= /indexterm>=20 <xref linkend=3D"example-random-id-qDu0"/> and=20 <xref linkend=3D"example-random-id-qDw0"/> are perfectly legitimate,= but may not be very much used:=20 <valsi>zi</valsi> by itself signals an event that happens at a time = close to the present, but without saying whether it is in the past or the f= uture. A rough translation might be=20 <quote>about now, but not exactly now</quote>.</para> - <para> <indexterm type=3D"example-imported"><primary>nearby in time<= /primary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> Because we can move in = any direction in space, we are comfortable with the idea of events happenin= g in an unspecified space direction (=20 + <para>=20 + Because we can move in any direction in space, we are comfortable wi= th the idea of events happening in an unspecified space direction (=20 <quote>nearby</quote> or=20 <quote>far away</quote>), but we live only from past to future, and = the idea of an event which happens=20 <quote>nearby in time</quote> is a peculiar one. Lojban provides lot= s of such possibilities that don't seem all that useful to English-speakers= , even though you can put them together productively; this fact may be a li= mitation of English.</para> =20 <para> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><primary>tense</primary>= <secondary>with both temporal and spatial</secondary></indexterm> Finally, = here are examples which combine temporal and spatial tense:</para> - <para> <indexterm type=3D"example-imported"><primary>long ago and far aw= ay</primary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> FIXME: TAG SPOT</par= a> <example role=3D"interlinear-gloss-example" xml:id=3D"example-random= -id-vtUw"> <title> <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e4d7"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>long ago and far away</prim= ary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 le nanmu puzu vu batci le gerku The man [past] [long time] [long space] bites the dog. Long ago and far away, the man bit the dog. Alternatively, @@ -520,29 +525,30 @@ <description>long time interval</description> </cmavo-entry> </cmavo-list> <para> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>ZEhA selma'= o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>= VEhA selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><p= rimary>tense</primary><secondary>interval contrasted with point</secondary>= </indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><primary>tense</primary>= <secondary>point contrasted with interval</secondary></indexterm> So far, w= e have considered only events that are usually thought of as happening at a= particular point in space and time: a man biting a dog at a specified plac= e and time. But Lojbanic events may be much more=20 <quote>spread out</quote> than that:=20 <oldjbophrase>mi vasxu</oldjbophrase> (I breathe) is something which= is true during the whole of my life from birth to death, and over the enti= re part of the earth where I spend my life. The cmavo of VEhA (for space) a= nd ZEhA (for time) can be added to any of the tense constructs we have alre= ady studied to specify the size of the space or length of the time over whi= ch the bridi is claimed to be true.</para> =20 <example role=3D"interlinear-gloss-example" xml:id=3D"example-random= -id-Pgzz"> <title> <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e5d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>child on ice</primary><seco= ndary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 le verba ve'i cadzu le bisli The child [small space interval] walks-on the ice. In a small space, the child walks on the ice. The child walks about a small area of the ice. - child on iceexample means that her walking wa= s done in a small area. Like the distances, the interval sizes are classifi= ed only roughly as=20 + means that her walking was done in a small area. Like the dis= tances, the interval sizes are classified only roughly as=20 small, medium, large, and are relative to the context= : a small part of a room might be a large part of a table in that room. Here is an example using a time interval: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e5d2"/> le verba ze'a cadzu le bisli The child [medium time interval] walks-on the ice. For a medium time, the child walks/walked/will walk on = the ice. @@ -613,24 +619,24 @@ mi pu ze'aca citka le mi sanmi I [past] [medium time interval - present] eat my meal. For a medium time before and afterward, I ate my meal. I ate my meal for a while. because the interval would then be centered on the past moment= rather than oriented toward the future of that moment. The colloquial Engl= ish translations are the same – English is not well-suited to represe= nting this distinction. Here are some examples of the use of space intervals with and = without specified directions: - fish on rightexample FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e5d8"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>fish on right</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 ta ri'u ve'i finpe That-there [right] [short space interval] is-a-fish. That thing on my right is a fish. In=20 , there is no equivalent i= n the colloquial English translation of the=20 small interval which the fish occupies. Neither the L= ojban nor the English expresses the orientation of the fish. Compare=20 @@ -769,21 +775,21 @@ MOhI movement flag MOhI selma'= o = mo'i m= ovement specificationinteraction with direction in ten= ses = directioninteraction with movement specification in te= nses tenseexpressing movement in = tensesta= tic contrasted with moving All the information carr= ied by the tense constructs so far presented has been presumed to be static= : the bridi is occurring somewhere or other in space and time, more or less= remote from the speaker. Suppose the truth of the bridi itself depends on = the result of a movement, or represents an action being done while the spea= ker is moving? This too can be represented by the tense system, using the c= mavo=20 =20 mo'i (of selma'o MOhI) plus a spatial direction and o= ptional distance; the direction now refers to a direction of motion rather = than a static direction from the speaker. on rightcontrasted with toward right toward rightcontrast= ed with on right FIXME: TAG SPOT - <indexterm type=3D"example-imported"><primary>toward my right</p= rimary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>toward my right</primary><s= econdary>example</secondary></indexterm> <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e8d1"/> le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli The child [movement] [right] walks-on the ice. The child walks toward my right on the ice. =20 This is quite different from: @@ -797,30 +803,31 @@ To the right of me, the child walks on the ice. BAI selma'o= m= a'i re= ference framespecifying for direction tenses directionreference frame for reference frame for directions in tenses In either case, however, the reference frame for defin= ing=20 =20 right and=20 left is the speaker's, not the child's. This can be c= hanged thus: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e8d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>toward her right</primary><= secondary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli ma'i vo'a =20 The child [movement] [right] walks on the ice in-referenc= e-frame the-x1-place. The child walks toward her right on the ice. =20 - toward her righ= texample=20 + =20 is analogous to=20 . The cmavo=20 ma'i belongs to selma'o BAI (explained in=20 =20 ), and allows specifying a reference = frame. =20 tense= order of movement specification in movementorde= r in tense constructs Both a regular and a=20 mo'i-flagged spatial tense can be combined, with the= =20 mo'i construct coming last: @@ -835,28 +842,30 @@ movementwith multiple directions directionsmultiple = with movement complex movementsexpressing It is not grammatical to use multiple directions like=20 zu'a ca'u after=20 mo'i, but complex movements can be expressed in a sep= arate bridi. =20 Here is an example of a movement tense on a bridi not inherent= ly involving movement: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e8d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>eat in airplane</primary><s= econdary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 mi mo'i ca'uvu citka le mi sanmi I [movement] [front] [long] eat my meal. While moving a long way forward, I eat my meal. - eat in airplane= example (Perhaps I am eating i= n an airplane.) + =20 + (Perhaps I am eating in an airplane.) time travel movement<= /primary>time There is no parallel facil= ity in Lojban at present for expressing movement in time – time trave= l – but one could be added easily if it ever becomes useful. =20
Interval properties: TAhE and=20 <valsi>roi</valsi> =20 The following cmavo are discussed in this section: @@ -929,40 +938,44 @@ VEhA whole space interval =20 TAhE selma'= o inte= rvalsspread of actions over <= indexterm type=3D"general-imported">discreteo= f tense intervals continuousof tense intervals= Consider Lojban bridi which express events taking place in tim= e. Whether a very short interval (a point) or a long interval of time is in= volved, the event may not be spread consistently throughout that interval. = Lojban can use the cmavo of selma'o TAhE to express the idea of continuous = or non-continuous actions. =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>attend school</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 mi puzu ze'u velckule I [past] [long distance] [long interval] am-a-school-atte= ndee (pupil). Long ago I attended school for a long time. - attend schoolexample probably does not mean t= hat I attended school continuously throughout the whole of that long-ago in= terval. Actually, I attended school every day, except for school holidays. = More explicitly, + =20 + probably does not mean that I attended school continuously through= out the whole of that long-ago interval. Actually, I attended school every = day, except for school holidays. More explicitly, <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d2"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>regularly</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> =20 mi puzu ze'u di'i velckule =20 I [past] [long distance] [long interval] [regularly] am-a= -pupil. Long ago I regularly attended school for a long time. - ta'e na'o di'i<= /primary> ru= 'i reg= ularlyexample interval spreadmutually= contrasted The four TAhE cmavo are differentiated = as follows:=20 + ta'e na'o di'i<= /primary> ru= 'i =20 + interval spreadmutually contrasted The four TAhE c= mavo are differentiated as follows:=20 ru'i covers the entirety of the interval,=20 =20 di'i covers the parts of the interval which are syste= matically spaced subintervals;=20 =20 na'o covers part of the interval, but exactly which p= art is determined by context;=20 =20 ta'e covers part of the interval, selected with refer= ence to the behavior of the actor (who often, but not always, appears in th= e x1 place of the bridi). =20 interval spread= with unspecified interval Usin= g TAhE does not require being so specific. Either the time direction or the= time interval or both may be omitted (in which case they are vague). For e= xample: @@ -983,58 +996,62 @@ mi na'o klama le zarci =20 I [typically] go-to the market. I typically go/went/will go to the market. illustrates an interval property in isolation. There are no di= stance or direction cmavo, so the point of time is vague; likewise, there i= s no interval cmavo, so the length of the interval during which these going= s-to-the-market take place is also vague. As always, context will determine= these vague values. - nai intermittentl= yexample interval spreadexpressing En= glish "intermittently"=20 + nai =20 + interval spreadexpressing English "intermittently"=20 Intermittently is the polar opposite notion to=20 continuously, and is expressed not with its own cmavo= , but by adding the negation suffix=20 -nai (which belongs to selma'o NAI) to= =20 ru'i. For example: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>intermittently</primary><se= condary>example</secondary></indexterm> =20 le verba ru'inai cadzu le bisli The child [continuously-not] walks-on the ice. The child intermittently walks on the ice. =20 interval spread= negation with nai As shown in = the cmavo table above, all the cmavo of TAhE may be negated with=20 -nai;=20 ru'inai and=20 di'inai are probably the most useful. - ROI selma'o= r= oi onc= eexample tensequantified<= /indexterm> quantified tempo= ral tensedefinition An intermi= ttent event can also be specified by counting the number of times during th= e interval that it takes place. The cmavo=20 + ROI selma'o roi= =20 + tensequantified quantified temporal tensedefinition An intermittent event can also be specified by counting th= e number of times during the interval that it takes place. The cmavo=20 roi (which belongs to selma'o ROI) can be appended to a= number to make a quantified tense. Quantified tenses are common in English= , but not so commonly named: they are exemplified by the adverbs=20 =20 =20 never,=20 once,=20 twice,=20 thrice, ...=20 always, and by the related phrases=20 many times,=20 a few times,=20 too many times, and so on. All of these are handled in = Lojban by a number plus=20 -roi: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d6"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>once</primary><secondary>exam= ple</secondary></indexterm> =20 mi paroi klama le zarci I [one time] go-to the market. I go to the market once. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d7"/> @@ -1055,69 +1072,73 @@ <gloss>I [past] [two times] go-to the market.</gloss> <natlang>I went to the market twice.</natlang> </interlinear-gloss> </example> <para> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><primary>quantified tempor= al tense with direction</primary><secondary>Lojban contrasted with English = in implications</secondary></indexterm> The English is slightly over-specif= ic here: it entails that both goings-to-the-market were in the past, which = may or may not be true in the Lojban sentence, since the implied interval i= s vague. Therefore, the interval may start in the past but extend into the = present or even the future.</para> <para> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><primary>quantified tempor= al tense</primary><secondary>negating with nai</secondary></indexterm> Addi= ng=20 <oldjbophrase>-nai</oldjbophrase> to=20 <valsi>roi</valsi> is also permitted, and has the meaning=20 =20 <quote>other than (the number specified)</quote>:</para> -<para> <indexterm type=3D"example-imported"><primary>rat eats cheese</prim= ary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> FIXME: TAG SPOT</para> <example role=3D"interlinear-gloss-example" xml:id=3D"example-random-i= d-rXXf"> <title> <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d9"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rat eats cheese</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm>=20 le ratcu reroinai citka le cirla The rat [twice-not] eats the cheese. The rat eats the cheese other than twice. This may mean that the rat eats the cheese fewer times, or more = times, or not at all. - ze'e only onceexample whole time intervalexpressing quantifi= ed temporal tenses"once" contrasted with &qu= ot;only once" quantified temporal tensescaveat on imp= lication of It is necessary to be careful with sent= ences like=20 + ze'e =20 + whole time intervalexpressing quantified temporal tenses&qu= ot;once" contrasted with "only once"= quantified temporal tenses<= /primary>caveat on implication of It is = necessary to be careful with sentences like=20 and=20 , where a quantified tense a= ppears without an interval. What=20 really says is that during = an interval of unspecified size, at least part of which was set in the past= , the event of my going to the market happened twice. The example says noth= ing about what happened outside that vague time interval. This is often les= s than we mean. If we want to nail down that I went to the market once and = only once, we can use the cmavo=20 =20 ze'e which represents the=20 =20 whole time interval: conceptually, an interval which st= retches from time's beginning to its end: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d10"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>only once</primary><secondary= >example</secondary></indexterm> =20 mi ze'e paroi klama le zarci =20 I [whole interval] [once] go-to the market. Since specifying no ZEhA leaves the interval vague,=20 might in appropriate contex= t mean the same as=20 after all – but=20 allows us to be specific wh= en specificity is necessary. =20 - ze'eca ze'eba ze'= epu PU selma'o have neverexample ze'ecameanin= g of ze'ebameaning of ze'epumeaning of ze'eeffect on following PU direction= temporal directionexception in meaning when following ze'e A PU cmavo following=20 + ze'eca ze'eba ze'ep= u = PU selma'o =20 + ze'ecameaning of ze'ebameaning of ze'epumean= ing of ze'eeffect on following PU direction temporal direction= exception in meaning when following ze'e A PU cmavo following=20 ze'e has a slightly different meaning from one that fol= lows another ZEhA cmavo. The compound cmavo=20 =20 ze'epu signifies the interval stretching = from the infinite past to the reference point (wherever the imaginary journ= ey has taken you);=20 =20 ze'eba is the interval stretching from th= e reference point to the infinite future. The remaining form,=20 =20 ze'eca, makes specific the=20 =20 whole of time interpretation just given. These compound= forms make it possible to assert that something has never happened without= asserting that it never will. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e9d11"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>have never</primary><secondar= y>example</secondary></indexterm> =20 mi ze'epu noroi klama le zarci =20 I [whole interval] [past] [never] go-to the market. I have never gone to the market. =20 says nothing about whether I might go in future. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.