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Since the keywords are scarcely self-explanatory, each ZAhO will = be explained in detail here. Note that from the viewpoint of Lojban syntax,= ZAhOs are interval modifiers like TAhEs or ROI compounds; if both are foun= d in a single tense, the TAhE/ROI comes first and the ZAhO afterward. The i= maginary journey described by other tense cmavo moves us to the portion of = the event-as-process which the ZAhO specifies. =20 =20 event contoursas characteristic portions of events speaker-relative viewpoi= ntcontrasted with event-relative viewpoint= event-relative = viewpointcontrasted with speaker-relative viewpoint tenses= viewpoint of PU contrasted with viewpoint of ZAhO PU tense= scontrasted with ZAhO tenses in viewpoint<= /indexterm> event contoursas timeless in perspective It is= important to understand that ZAhO cmavo, unlike the other tense cmavo, spe= cify characteristic portions of the event, and are seen from an essentially= timeless perspective. The=20 beginning of an event is the same whether the event is = in the speaker's present, past, or future. It is especially important not t= o confuse the speaker-relative viewpoint of the PU tenses with the event-re= lative viewpoint of the ZAhO tenses. =20 =20 =20 =20 - ba'o ca'o pu'o ca'oderivation of word ba'oderivation of word= pu'= oderivation of word The cmavo= =20 + ba'o<= /indexterm> ca'o pu'o ca'oderivation of word ba'oderivation of word<= /secondary> pu'o= derivation of word The cmavo= =20 pu'o,=20 ca'o, and=20 ba'o (etymologically derived from the PU cmavo) refer t= o an event that has not yet begun, that is in progress, or that has ended, = respectively: - - - <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d1"/> - - - mi pu'o damba - I [inchoative] fight. - I'm on the verge of fighting. - - - - - <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d2"/> - - - la stiv. ca'o bacru - Steve [continuitive] utters. - Steve continues to talk. - =20 - - - - - <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d3"/> - - - le verba ba'o cadzu le bisli - The child [perfective] walks-on the ice. - The child is finished walking on the ice. - =20 - - - finishedexample continuesexample on vergeexample <= primary>tense directioncontrasted with event contours = in implication of extent event contourscontrasted with ten= se direction in implication of extent event contoursimplic= ations on scope of event event contoursperfective event contou= rscontinuitive event contoursinchoati= ve As discussed in=20 + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>on verge</primary><secondary>ex= ample</secondary></indexterm> + + + mi pu'o damba + I [inchoative] fight. + I'm on the verge of fighting. + + + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d2"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>continues</primary><secondary>e= xample</secondary></indexterm> + + + la stiv. ca'o bacru + Steve [continuitive] utters. + Steve continues to talk. + + + + + + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>finished</primary><secondary>ex= ample</secondary></indexterm> + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d3"/> + + + le verba ba'o cadzu le bisli + The child [perfective] walks-on the ice. + The child is finished walking on the ice. + + + + =20 + tense directioncontrasted with event contours in implication of extent event conto= urscontrasted with tense direction in implication of e= xtent event contoursimplications on scope of event event conto= ursperfective event contourscontinuit= ive = event contoursinchoative As di= scussed in=20 , the simple PU cmavo make no ass= umptions about whether the scope of a past, present, or future event extend= s into one of the other tenses as well.=20 - =20 + through=20 illustrate that these ZAhO = cmavo do make such assumptions possible: the event in 10.1 has not yet begu= n, definitively; likewise, the event in 10.3 is definitely over. - ba'oas futureward of event pu'oas pastward of event ba'oexplanation of derivation pu'oexplanati= on of derivation Note that in=20 + ba'oas futureward of event pu'oas pastward of event ba'oexplanation of derivation pu'oexplanation= of derivation Note that in=20 and=20 ,=20 pu'o and=20 ba'o may appear to be reversed:=20 pu'o, although etymologically connected with=20 pu, is referring to a future event; whereas=20 - =20 + ba'o, connected with=20 ba, is referring to a past event. This is the natural r= esult of the event-centered view of ZAhO cmavo. The inchoative, or=20 - =20 + pu'o, part of an event, is in the=20 pastward portion of that event, when seen from the pers= pective of the event itself. It is only by inference that we suppose that= =20 - =20 + refers to the speaker's fut= ure: in fact, no PU tense is given, so the inchoative part of the event nee= d not be coincident with the speaker's present:=20 pu'o is not necessarily, though in fact often is, the s= ame as=20 ca pu'o. event contourscessative event contoursinitiative event con= toursdivision of the event into event contourspoints associated with The cmavo in=20 through=20 refer to spans of time. The= re are also two points of time that can be usefully associated with an even= t: the beginning, marked by=20 co'a, and the end, marked by=20 co'u. Specifically,=20 co'a marks the boundary between the=20 pu'o and=20 @@ -1381,64 +1385,65 @@ =20 I [future] [resumptive] eat my meal. I will resume eating my meal. =20 za'o event contours= superfective natural endcontinuing b= eyond In addition, it is possible for a process to = continue beyond its natural end. The span of time between the natural and t= he actual end points is represented by=20 =20 za'o: =20 - too longexample kept on too longexample FIXME: TAG SPOT - - - <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d10"/> - - - le ctuca pu za'o ciksi le cmaci seldanfu le tadgri - =20 - The teacher [past] [superfective] explained the mathematics= problem to the student-group. - The teacher kept on explaining the mathematics problem to= the class too long. - =20 - - - That is, the teacher went on explaining after the class already = understood the problem. - co'i pointevent considered as event contoursachievative<= /secondary> An entire event can be treated as a single moment u= sing the cmavo=20 + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d10"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>too long</primary><secondary>ex= ample</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>kept on too long</primary><seco= ndary>example</secondary></indexterm> + + + le ctuca pu za'o ciksi le cmaci seldanfu le tadgri + + The teacher [past] [superfective] explained the mathematics p= roblem to the student-group. + The teacher kept on explaining the mathematics problem to t= he class too long. + + + + That is, the teacher went on explaining after the class already un= derstood the problem. + co'i<= /indexterm> point<= secondary>event considered as event contoursachievative An entire event can be treated as a single moment usi= ng the cmavo=20 co'i: - =20 - - - <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d11"/> - - - la djan. pu co'i catra la djim - =20 - John [past] [achievative] kills Jim. - John was at the point in time where he killed Jim. - - - ROI selma'o re'= u cycl= es ord= inal tense Finally, since an activity is cyclical, an= individual cycle can be referred to using a number followed by=20 + + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d11"/> + + + la djan. pu co'i catra la djim + + John [past] [achievative] kills Jim. + John was at the point in time where he killed Jim. + + + ROI selma'o re'u<= /primary> cycles= ordin= al tense Finally, since an activity is cyclical, an i= ndividual cycle can be referred to using a number followed by=20 re'u, which is the other cmavo of selma'o ROI: - =20 - - - <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d12"/> - - - mi pare'u klama le zarci - I [first time] go-to the store. - I go to the store for the first time (within a vague inte= rval). - - - Note the difference between: - - + + <example role=3D"interlinear-gloss-example" xml:id=3D"example-random-id-= msrS"> + <title> + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d12"/> + + + mi pare'u klama le zarci + I [first time] go-to the store. + I go to the store for the first time (within a vague interv= al). + + + Note the difference between: + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e10d13"/> mi pare'u paroi klama le zarci I [first time] [one time] go-to the store. For the first time, I go to the store once. and @@ -1456,80 +1461,85 @@ Space interval modifiers: FEhE The following cmavo is discussed in this section: fe'e FEhE space interval modifier flag FEhE selma'o<= /primary> fe= 'e ten= seorder of spatial interval modifiers in <= /indexterm> spatial interval= modifiersorder in tense spatial intervalsexpressing degree of continuity over space intervalsc= ompared with time intervals in continuity Like time= intervals, space intervals can also be continuous, discontinuous, or repet= itive. Rather than having a whole separate set of selma'o for space interva= l properties, we instead prefix the flag=20 - =20 - =20 - fe'e to the cmavo used for time interval properties. A = space interval property would be placed just after the space interval size = and/or dimensionality cmavo: - =20 - =20 - =20 + + + fe'e to the cmavo used for time interval properties. = A space interval property would be placed just after the space interval siz= e and/or dimensionality cmavo: + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e11d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>sow grain</primary><secondary= >example</secondary></indexterm> ko vi'i fe'e di'i sombo le gurni - =20 + You-imperative [1-dimensional] [space:] [regularly] sow the= grain. Sow the grain in a line and evenly! <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e11d2"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>salad ingredients</primary><s= econdary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi fe'e ciroi tervecnu lo selsalta I [space:] [three places] buy those-which-are salad-ingredi= ents. I buy salad ingredients in three locations. - =20 + - always and everywhere= example salad ingredientsexample sow grai= nexample FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e11d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>always and everywhere</primar= y><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> ze'e roroi ve'e fe'e roroi ku li re su'i re du li vo [whole time] [all times] [whole space] [space:] [all places= ] The-number 2 + 2 =3D the-number 4. Always and everywhere, two plus two is four. As shown in=20 - , when a tense comes first i= n a bridi, rather than in its normal position before the selbri (in this ca= se=20 - du), it is emphasized. + , when a tense comes first= in a bridi, rather than in its normal position before the selbri (in this = case=20 + du), it is emphasized. be'a ZAhO selma= 'o fe'e = spatial contoursexpressing The= =20 - fe'e marker can also be used for the same purpose befor= e members of ZAhO. (The cmavo=20 - be'a belongs to selma'o FAhA; it is the space direction= meaning=20 - =20 - north of.) + fe'e marker can also be used for the same purpose bef= ore members of ZAhO. (The cmavo=20 + be'a belongs to selma'o FAhA; it is the space directi= on meaning=20 + + north of.) <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e11d4"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rock face</primary><secondary= >example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>south face</primary><secondar= y>example</secondary></indexterm> tu ve'abe'a fe'e co'a rokci That-yonder [medium space interval - north] [space] [initia= tive] is-a-rock. That is the beginning of a rock extending to my north. That is the south face of a rock. - =20 + - rock faceexample south faceexample event contourstemporal contrasted with spatial spatial contourscontrasted with temporal event contours beginning point= spatial Here the notion of a=20 + =20 + event contourstemporal contrasted with spatial spatial contours= contrasted with temporal event contours beginning pointspa= tial Here the notion of a=20 beginning point represented by the cmavo=20 =20 co'a is transferred from=20 beginning in time to=20 beginning in space under the influence of the=20 fe'e flag. Space is not inherently oriented, unlike tim= e, which flows from past to future: therefore, some indication of orientati= on is necessary, and the=20 ve'abe'a provides an orientation in which= the south face is the=20 =20 beginning and the north face is the=20 end, since the rock extends from south (near me) to nor= th (away from me). @@ -1578,56 +1588,65 @@ imaginary journey= starting at a different point = imaginary journey<= secondary>starting point All of our imaginary journ= eys so far have started at the speaker's location in space and time. Now we= are specifying an imaginary journey that starts at a different location, n= amely at the event of your going to the house.=20 then says that my going to = the market is in the past, relative not to the speaker's present moment, bu= t instead relative to the moment when you went to the house.=20 can therefore be translated= : I had gone to the market before you went to the house. sumti tcitabased on tense distance tense distanceas su= mti tcita spatial tensesas sumti tcita (Other translations are possible, depending on the ever-present contex= t.) Spatial direction and distance sumti tcita are exactly analogous: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rat eats cheese</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>near the park</primary><secon= dary>example</secondary></indexterm> le ratcu cu citka le cirla vi le panka The rat eats the cheese [short distance] the park. The rat eats the cheese near the park. =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d4"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rat eats cheese</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>near the faraway park</primar= y><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> le ratcu cu citka le cirla vi le vu panka The rat eats the cheese [short distance] the [long distance= ] park The rat eats the cheese near the faraway park. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rat eats cheese</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>far away from the nearby park= </primary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> le ratcu cu citka le cirla vu le vi panka The rat eats the cheese [long distance] the [short distance= ] park The rat eats the cheese far away from the nearby park. - fe'e rat eats chees= eexample near the parkexample sumti tcita= based on event contoursrelation of main bridi to sumt= i process in = sumti tcitaevent contours contrasted with dir= ection/distance as basis for tense direction/distance as sumti tcita<= secondary>contrasted with event contours event contours as sumti tcitacontrasted with direction and distance = ZAhO selma'o sumti tcita= based on spatial contours spatial contoursas su= mti tcita sumti tcitabased on event contours event contoursas sumti tcita The event contours= of selma'o ZAhO (and their space equivalents, prefixed with=20 + fe'e =20 + sumti tcita based on event= contoursrelation of main bridi to sumti process in sumti = tcitaevent contours contrasted with direction/distance= as basis for tense direction/distance as sumti tcitacontr= asted with event contours event contours as sumti tcitacon= trasted with direction and distance ZAhO selma'o sumti tcitabase= d on spatial contours spatial contoursas sumti tcita sumti tci= tabased on event contours event contoursas sumti tcita The event contours of selma'o ZAh= O (and their space equivalents, prefixed with=20 =20 =20 fe'e) are also useful as sumti tcita. The interpretatio= n of ZAhO tcita differs from that of FAhA, VA, PU, and ZI tcita, however. T= he event described in the sumti is viewed as a process, and the action of t= he main bridi occurs at the phase of the process which the ZAhO specifies, = or at least some part of that phase. The action of the main bridi itself is= seen as a point event, so that there is no issue about which phase of the = main bridi is intended. For example: - in the aftermathexample die after livingexample FIXME: TAG SPOT + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d6"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>in the aftermath</primary><se= condary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>die after living</primary><se= condary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi morsi ba'o le nu mi jmive I am-dead [perfective] the event-of I live. I die in the aftermath of my living. =20 Here the (point-)event of my being dead is the portion of my liv= ing-process which occurs after the process is complete. Contrast=20 with: @@ -1659,63 +1678,68 @@ mi klama le zarci ba'o le nu mi citka I go-to the store [perfective] the event-of I eat would indicate that I go to the store after I am finished eating= . =20 Here is an example which mixes temporal ZAhO (as a tense) and sp= atial ZAhO (as a sumti tcita): - too longexample boat sailedexample= FIXME: TAG SPOT + <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d10"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>too long</primary><secondary>= example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>boat sailed</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> le bloti pu za'o xelklama fe'e ba'o le lalxu The boat [past] [superfective] is-a-transport-mechanism [sp= ace] [perfective] the lake. The boat sailed for too long and beyond the lake. Probably it sailed up onto the dock. One point of clarification:= although=20 xelklama appears to mean simply=20 is-a-mode-of-transport, it does not – the bridi o= f=20 has four omitted arguments,= and thus has the (physical) journey which goes on too long as part of its = meaning. =20 sumti tcita based= on quantified tenses quantified tensesas sumti tcita sumti tcit= a based on interval properties interval propertiesmeaning as= sumti tcita = sumti tcita based on interval continuousness= interval continuousnessmeaning as sumti tcita sumti tcita based on dimension dimensionmeaning as sumti tcita sumti tcita based on interval size interval si= zemeaning as sumti tcita The r= emaining tense cmavo, which have to do with interval size, dimension, and c= ontinuousness (or lack thereof) are interpreted to let the sumti specify th= e particular interval over which the main bridi operates: =20 =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d11"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>twice today</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> mi klama le zarci reroi le ca djedi I go-to the market [twice] the [present] day. I go/went/will go to the market twice today. =20 - twice todayexample tense inside sumticontrasted with t= ense as sumti tcita tense as sumti tcitacontrasted with te= nse inside sumti Be careful not to confuse a tense = used as a sumti tcita with a tense used within a seltcita sumti: + =20 + tense inside sumticontrasted with tense as sumti tcita = tense as sumti tcitacontrasted with tense inside sumti Be c= areful not to confuse a tense used as a sumti tcita with a tense used withi= n a seltcita sumti: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d12"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>snow falls</primary><secondar= y>example</secondary></indexterm> loi snime cu carvi ze'u le ca dunra Some-of-the-mass-of snow rains [long time interval] the [pr= esent] winter. Snow falls during this winter. - snow fallsexample claims that the interval spec= ified by=20 + claims that the interval specified by=20 this winter is long, as events of snowfall go, whereas<= /para> <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e12d13"/> loi snime cu carvi ca le ze'u dunra Some-of-the-mass-of snow rains [present] the [long time] wi= nter. Snow falls in the long winter. @@ -1751,39 +1775,42 @@ Here the use of=20 puki rather than just=20 pu ensures that the tense will affect the next sentence= as well. Otherwise, since the second sentence is tenseless, there would be= no way of determining its tense; the event of the second sentence might ha= ppen before, after, or simultaneously with that of the first sentence. (The last statement does not apply when the two sentences form p= art of a narrative. See=20 for an explanation of=20 story time, which employs a different set of convention= s.) =20 What if the second sentence has a tense anyway? - had earlier= example tenseeffect of sticky tense on FIXME: TAG SPOT +=20 + + + tense= effect of sticky tense on FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e13d2"/> mi puki klama le zarci .i le nanmu pu batci le gerku I [past] [sticky] go-to the market. The man [past] bites th= e dog. Here the second=20 pu does not replace the sticky tense, but adds to it, i= n the sense that the starting point of its imaginary journey is taken to be= the previously set sticky time. So the translation of=20 is: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e13d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>had earlier</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> I went to the market. The man had earlier bitten the dog. - =20 compound tensecompared with tense in scope of sticky tense<= /indexterm> tense in scope o= f sticky tensecompared with compound tense= and it is equivalent in meaning (when considered in isolation = from any other sentences) to: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e13d4"/> mi pu klama le zarci .i le nanmu pupu batci le gerku I [past] go-to the market. The man [past] [past] bites the = dog. @@ -1855,24 +1882,24 @@ What is the implied tense of the second sentence? Not=20 puba, but only=20 pu, since only=20 pu was made sticky with=20 ki. So the translation is: I was going to go to the market. The man bit the dog. sumti with tense<= /primary>effect of main bridi tense on = embedded bridi tenseseffect of main bridi tense on tense on main bridieffect on embedded sumti with tenses tense on main bridieffect on embedded bridi tenses tenseon embedded bridi<= /secondary> Lojban has several ways of embedding a bridi within= another bridi: descriptions, abstractors, relative clauses. (Technically, = descriptions contain selbri rather than bridi.) Any of the selbri of these = subordinate bridi may have tenses attached. These tenses are interpreted re= lative to the tense of the main bridi: - former marketexample FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e13d10"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>former market</primary><secon= dary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi pu klama le ba'o zarci I [past] go-to the [perfective] market I went to the former market. =20 The significance of the=20 ba'o in=20 @@ -1911,20 +1938,21 @@ story in this section refers to any series of statement= s related in more-or-less time-sequential order, not just a fictional one.<= /para> story timetenseless sentences in tenseless sentences in story time story timeas a convention for inferring tense Lojban speakers use a different set of conventions, commonly called=20 story time, for inferring tense within a story. It is p= resumed that the event described by each sentence takes place some time mor= e or less after the previous ones. Therefore, tenseless sentences are impli= citly tensed as=20 =20 what happens next. In particular, any sticky time setti= ng is advanced by each sentence. The following mini-story illustrates the important features of s= tory time. A sentence-by-sentence explication follows: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e14d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>cave</primary><secondary>exam= ple</secondary></indexterm> puzuki ku ne'iki le kevna le ninmu goi ko'a zutse le rokci [past] [long] [sticky] [,] [inside] [sticky] the cave, the = woman defined-as she-1 sat-on the rock Long ago, in a cave, a woman sat on a rock. =20 @@ -1932,20 +1960,21 @@ .i ko'a citka loi kanba rectu She-1 [tenseless] eat some-of-the-mass-of goat flesh. She was eating goat's meat. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e14d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>flashbacks in story time</pri= mary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> .i ko'a pu jukpa ri le mudyfagri She [past] cook the-last-mentioned by-method the wood-fire.= She had cooked the meat over a wood fire. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e14d4"/> @@ -1981,40 +2010,46 @@ <example xml:id=3D"example-random-id-qeBW" role=3D"interlinear-gloss-e= xample"> <title> <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e14d7"/> .i ko'e bartu klama It-2 out ran It ran out. - caveexample story tenseLojban convention contrasted wi= th English convention=20 + =20 + + + story tenseLojban convention contrasted with English convention=20 sets both the time (long ag= o) and the place (in a cave) using=20 =20 ki, just like the sentence sequences in=20 . No further space cmavo are = used in the rest of the story, so the place is assumed to remain unchanged.= The English translation of=20 is marked for past tense al= so, as the conventions of English storytelling require: consequently, all o= ther English translation sentences are also in the past tense. (We don't no= tice how strange this is; even stories about the future are written in past= tense!) This conventional use of past tense is not used in Lojban narrativ= es. =20 is tenseless. Outside story= time, it would be assumed that its event happens simultaneously with that = of=20 =20 , since a sticky tense is in= effect; the rules of story time, however, imply that the event occurs afte= rwards, and that the story time has advanced (changing the sticky time set = in=20 =20 ). has an explicit tense. This= is taken relative to the latest setting of the sticky time; therefore, the= event of=20 happens before that of=20 . It cannot be determined if= =20 happens before or after=20 . - flashbacks in sto= ry timeexample=20 + =20 + + +=20 is again tenseless. Story t= ime was not changed by the flashback in=20 , so=20 happens after=20 . specifies the future (relat= ive to=20 ) and makes it sticky. So al= l further events happen after=20 . and=20 @@ -2064,24 +2099,24 @@ went. But if the tense of the main sentence is the past= , with=20 said, then the tense required in the subordinate clause= is different. If George goes when John speaks, we get the past tense=20 went; if George goes before John speaks, we get the pas= t-perfect tense=20 had gone. The rule of English, therefore, is that both the tense of the ma= in sentence and the tense of the subordinate clause are understood relative= to the speaker of the main sentence (not John, but the person who speaks= =20 through=20 ). subordinate claus= e tenseeffect of main bridi tense on subordinate clause te= nseLojban compared with Esperanto subordinate clause tense= Lojban compared with Russian = subordinate clause tenseLojban contrasted with English sequence of tense rulesLojban contrasted with English Lojban, = like Russian and Esperanto, uses a different convention. A tense in a subor= dinate bridi is understood to be relative to the tense already set in the m= ain bridi. Thus=20 through=20 can be expressed in Lojban = respectively thus: - John says that George= goes to marketexample FIXME: = TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e15d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>John says that George goes to= market</primary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> la djan. ca cusku le se du'u la djordj. ca klama le zarci John [present] says the statement-that George [present] goe= s-to the market. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e15d6"/> @@ -2320,45 +2355,52 @@ <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d3"/> la teris. satre le mlatu .e le ractu Terry strokes the cat and the rabbit. - bo<= /indexterm> stoke cat then r= abbitexample and thenexample Suppose we wish to add a tense relationship to the logical= connective=20 + bo<= /indexterm> =20 + Suppose we wish to add a tense relationship to the logical connective=20 and? To say that Terry strokes the cat and later stroke= s the rabbit, we can combine a logical connective with a tense connective b= y placing the logical connective first, then the tense, and then the cmavo= =20 bo, thus: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d4"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>stroke cat then rabbit</prima= ry><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>and then</primary><secondary>= example</secondary></indexterm> la teris. satre le mlatu .ijebabo la teris. satre le ractu =20 Terry strokes the cat. And then Terry strokes the rabbit.= <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>stroke cat then rabbit</prima= ry><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>and then</primary><secondary>= example</secondary></indexterm> la teris. satre le mlatu gi'ebabo satre le ractu Terry strokes the cat, and then strokes the rabbit. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d6"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>stroke cat then rabbit</prima= ry><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>and then</primary><secondary>= example</secondary></indexterm> la teris. satre le mlatu .ebabo le ractu Terry strokes the cat and then the rabbit. tensed logically = connected sumti tensed logically connected bridi-tails tensed logically connected sente= nces=20 through 17.6 are equivalent= in meaning. They are also analogous to=20 through=20 respectively. The=20 @@ -2374,41 +2416,43 @@ =20 =20 =20 ke ... ke'e (=20 tu'e ... tu'u for sentences). The logical= connective system makes=20 through=20 equivalent in meaning: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d7"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>carry sack and dog</primary><= secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi bevri le dakli .ije tu'e mi bevri le gerku .ija mi bevri l= e mlatu tu'u I carry the sack. And (I carry the dog. And/or I carry the = cat). I carry the sack. And I carry the dog, or I carry the cat= , or I carry both. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d8"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>carry sack and dog</primary><= secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi bevri le dakli gi'eke bevri le gerku gi'a bevri le mlatu I carry the sack and (carry the dog and/or carry the cat).<= /gloss> I carry the sack, and also carry the dog or carry the cat= or carry both. - carry sack and dogexample FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e17d9"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>carry sack and dog</primary><= secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi bevri le dakli .eke le gerku .a le mlatu I carry the sack and (the dog or the cat). I carry the sack and also the dog or the cat or both. Note the uniformity of the Lojban, as contrasted with the variet= y of ways in which the English provides for the correct grouping. In all ca= ses, the meaning is that I carry the sack in any case, and either the cat o= r the dog or both. To express that I carry the sack first (earlier in time), and th= en the dog or the cat or both simultaneously, I can insert tenses to form= =20 through=20 @@ -2585,29 +2629,31 @@ CAhA can and has innate capabiliti= esexpressing implicitly potential eventsexpressing implicitly Lojban bridi without tense= markers may not necessarily refer to actual events: they may also refer to= capabilities or potential events. For example: =20 =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>ducks swim</primary><secondar= y>example</secondary></indexterm> ro datka cu flulimna All ducks are-float-swimmers. All ducks swim by floating. =20 - ducks swimexample actualityLojban contrasted with Engl= ish in implying tenseLojban contrasted with English in imp= lying actuality is a Lojban truth, even though the = colloquial English translation is false or at best ambiguous. This is becau= se the tenseless Lojban bridi doesn't necessarily claim that every duck is = swimming or floating now or even at a specific time or place. Even if we ad= d a tense marker to=20 + =20 + actualityLojban contrasted with English in implying tenseLojban= contrasted with English in implying actuality is a= Lojban truth, even though the colloquial English translation is false or a= t best ambiguous. This is because the tenseless Lojban bridi doesn't necess= arily claim that every duck is swimming or floating now or even at a specif= ic time or place. Even if we add a tense marker to=20 , <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d2"/> ro datka ca flulimna All ducks [present] are-float-swimmers. All ducks are now swimming by floating. @@ -2644,63 +2690,69 @@ =20 All ducks [capable] are-float-swimmers. All ducks are innately capable of swimming. innate properties= extension of from mass to individuals Under some epistemologies, innate capability can be extended in ord= er to apply the innate properties of a mass to which certain individuals be= long to the individuals themselves, even if those individuals are themselve= s not capable of fulfilling the claim of the bridi. For example: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d5"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>can see</primary><secondary>e= xample</secondary></indexterm> la djan. ka'e viska =20 John [capable] sees. John is innately capable of seeing. John can see. =20 - can see= example innate propertiesextension to individua= ls not actually capable might be true about a human= being named John, even though he has been blind since birth, because the a= bility to see is innately built into his nature as a human being. It is the= oretically possible that conditions might occur that would enable John to s= ee (a great medical discovery, for example). On the other hand, + =20 + + + innate propertiesextension to individuals not actually capable might be true about a human being named John, even though he has bee= n blind since birth, because the ability to see is innately built into his = nature as a human being. It is theoretically possible that conditions might= occur that would enable John to see (a great medical discovery, for exampl= e). On the other hand, <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d6"/> le cukta ka'e viska =20 The book [capable] sees. The book can see. =20 is not true in most epistemologies, since the ability to see is = not part of the innate nature of a book. undemonstrated po= tentialexpressing Consider onc= e again the newly hatched ducks mentioned earlier. They have the potential = of swimming, but have not yet demonstrated that potential. This may be expr= essed using=20 nu'o, the cmavo of CAhA for undemonstrated potential: =20 =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d7"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>infant ducks</primary><second= ary>example</secondary></indexterm> ro cifydatka nu'o flulimna =20 All infant-ducks [can but has not] are-float-swimmers. All infant ducks have an undemonstrated potential for swimm= ing by floating. =20 =20 Baby ducks can swim but haven't yet. - nu'o infant ducksexample demonstrated potentialexpressin= g Contrariwise, if Frank is not blind from birth, t= hen=20 + nu'o =20 + demonstrated potentialexpressing Contrariwise, if Frank = is not blind from birth, then=20 pu'i is appropriate: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d8"/> la frank. pu'i viska =20 Frank [can and has] sees. @@ -2743,27 +2795,28 @@ =20 Frank [future] [can but has not] goes-to the store. Frank could have, but will not have, gone to the store (at some understood moment in the future). tenses with elide= d CAhAmeaning As always in Loj= ban tenses, a missing CAhA can have an indeterminate meaning, or the contex= t can be enough to disambiguate it. Saying <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d11"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>inflammable</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> ta jelca That burns/is-burning/might-burn/will-burn. - inflammableexample with no CAhA specified can t= ranslate the two very different English sentences=20 + with no CAhA specified can translate the two very different Eng= lish sentences=20 That is on fire and=20 That is inflammable. The first demands immediate action= (usually), whereas the second merely demands caution. The two cases can be= disambiguated with: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e19d12"/> ta ca ca'a jelca =20 @@ -2887,36 +2940,40 @@ I breathe from a medium time ago till a long time to come= . =20 (It is to be hoped that I have a long life ahead of me.) One additional use of non-logical connectives within tenses is d= iscussed in=20 . Other uses will probably be id= entified in future.
Sub-events - six-shooterexample tensesnon-logical connection of for= sub-events Another application of non-logical tens= e connection is to talk about sub-events of events. Consider a six-shooter:= a gun which can fire six bullets in succession before reloading. If I fire= off the entire magazine twice, I can express the fact in Lojban thus: + =20 + tensesnon-logical connection of for sub-events Another a= pplication of non-logical tense connection is to talk about sub-events of e= vents. Consider a six-shooter: a gun which can fire six bullets in successi= on before reloading. If I fire off the entire magazine twice, I can express= the fact in Lojban thus: =20 =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e21d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>six-shooter</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>on two occasions</primary><se= condary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi reroi pi'u xaroi cecla le seldanti =20 I [twice] [cross-product] [six times] shoot the projectile-= launcher. =20 On two occasions, I fire the gun six times. - pi'u on two occasio= nsexample cross productwith tenses Cartes= ian productwith tenses pi'uuse in con= necting tenses It would be confusing, though gramma= tical, to run the=20 + pi'u =20 + cross productwith tenses Cartesian productwith tenses pi'uuse in connecting tenses It would be co= nfusing, though grammatical, to run the=20 reroi and the=20 xaroi directly together. However, the non= -logical connective=20 pi'u expresses a Cartesian product (also known as a cro= ss product) of two sets. In this case, there is a set of two firings each o= f which is represented by a set of six shots, for twelve shots in all (henc= e the name=20 =20 =20 =20 product: the product of 2 and 6 is 12). Its use specifi= es very precisely what occurs. event contoursstrings of interval propertiesstrings of= In fact, you can specify strings of interval prope= rties and event contours within a single tense without the use of a logical= or non-logical connective cmavo. This allows tenses of the type: =20 =20 @@ -2976,38 +3033,41 @@ le zarci cu se klama mi The market is-gone-to by-me. jai= jai with tense<= /primary>as equivalent of SE in grammar = tense conversionaccessing tense of bridi with jai conversionacces= sing tense of bridi with jai It is also possible to= bring a place that is specified by a sumti tcita (for the purposes of this= chapter, a tense sumti tcita) to the front, by using=20 jai plus the tense as the grammatical equivalent of SE:= <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e22d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rat eats cheese in park</prim= ary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> le ratcu cu citka le cirla vi le panka The rat eats the cheese [short distance] the park. The rat eats the cheese in the park. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e22d4"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>rat eats cheese in park</prim= ary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> le panka cu jai vi citka le cirla fai le ratcu The park is-the-place-of eating the cheese by-the rat. The park is where the rat eats the cheese. - FA selma'o fai<= /primary> rat ea= ts cheese in parkexample tense conversionaccessing original first place with fai In=20 + FA selma'o fai<= /primary> =20 + tense conversion= accessing original first place with fai = In=20 , the construction JAI+tense= converts the location sumti into the first place. The previous first place= has nowhere to go, since the location sumti is not a numbered place; howev= er, it can be inserted back into the bridi with=20 fai, the indefinite member of selma'o FA. (The other members of FA are used to mark the first, second, etc= . places of a bridi explicitly: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e22d5"/> fa mi cu klama fe le zarci @@ -3027,25 +3087,24 @@ mi cu klama le zarci in which the place structure is determined by position.) LE selma'o tense co= nversionuse in sumti descriptions Like SE conversion, JAI+tense conversion is especially useful in descri= ptions with LE selma'o: =20 =20 - =20 - place of eatingexample FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e22d8"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>place of eating</primary><sec= ondary>example</secondary></indexterm> mi viska le jai vi citka be le cirla I saw the place-of eating the cheese. Here the eater of the cheese is elided, so no=20 fai appears. tense conversion<= /primary>of temporal tenses Of course, t= emporal tenses are also usable with JAI: =20 @@ -3219,52 +3278,60 @@ ma<= /indexterm> mafor tense questions tense questions with ma tense questionsmethods of asking There are two main ways to ask = questions about tense. The main English tense question words are=20 When? and=20 Where?. These may be paraphrased respectively as=20 At what time? and=20 At what place? In these forms, their Lojban equivalents= simply involve a tense plus=20 ma, the Lojban sumti question: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e24d1"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>when</primary><secondary>exam= ple</secondary></indexterm> do klama le zdani ca ma You go-to the house [present] [what sumti?]. You go to the house at what time? When do you go to the house? <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e24d2"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>where</primary><secondary>exa= mple</secondary></indexterm> le verba vi ma pu cadzu le bisli The child [short space] [what sumti?] [past] walks-on the i= ce. The child at/near what place walked on the ice? Where did the child walk on the ice? - whereexample whenexample modal-or-tense question= with cu'e tense-or-modal questionswith cu'e There is also a non-specific tense and modal question,= =20 + =20 + + modal-or-tense questionwith cu'e tense-or-modal questionswith c= u'e There is also a non-specific tense and modal qu= estion,=20 cu'e, belonging to selma'o CUhE. This can be used where= ver a tense or modal construct can be used. <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e24d3"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>when/where/how</primary><seco= ndary>example</secondary></indexterm> le nanmu cu'e batci le gerku The man [what tense?] bites the dog. When/Where/How does the man bite the dog? - when/where/howexample answersto tense-or-modal questio= ns Possible answers to=20 + =20 + + + answersto tense-or-modal questions Possible answers to= =20 might be: <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e24d4"/> va [medium space]. Some ways from here. @@ -3305,24 +3372,25 @@ <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e24d8"/> seka'a le briju With-destination the office. modal-or-tense qu= estionspre-specifying some information tense-or-modal ques= tionspre-specifying some information cu'ecombining with other tense cmavo The only way t= o combine=20 cu'e with other tense cmavo is through logical connecti= on, which makes a question that pre-specifies some information: - when elseexample sowed grainexample FIXME: TAG SPOT <anchor xml:id=3D"c10e24d9"/> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>when else</primary><secondary= >example</secondary></indexterm> + <indexterm type=3D"example"><primary>sowed grain</primary><seconda= ry>example</secondary></indexterm> do puzi je cu'e sombo le gurni You [past] [short] and [when?] sow the grain? You sowed the grain a little while ago; when else do you = sow it? =20 Additionally, the logical connective itself can be replaced by a= question word: tense questionsby using logical connective question FIXME: TAG SPOT --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.