Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PyAi6-0005e5-Ev; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:30 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf427034pxi.16 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-beenthere:received-spf:date :message-id:to:subject:from:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zOMSvlR9yA5E3AEBVKgtn7Qp4DfKlaDtOzuwd7pyV1s=; b=na/sslo7lRgcrdDg6To3ZYsflt+viQFQo0hAJ/nKEvIVUFVv0TaDANhP0udqw6C0jC uk4uK6Qk3vgiHvWirGGthaKVXWliKbElEUV5+F0HscAN7SArew6ZYwM7dcPS/0kUOibG c+hMzKjgSpjGGVuPZDIVO9Bvm4qZq9Iwa31pM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:message-id:to:subject :from:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nuremWl2Bo866vBEkYbWMRWHX9aQbr5oYCI0pwQlwNX6gomL+OWIIUVFaTNPpk8m1H uxWHc/tUyrGs1AgxGd3FxL5WOaw4+ilfC7x+TFzRRisxlg5ijWCRb0+s+r2ilBFxg57Z 2KmJJqIs3mRI2sIYgFip/G3avdxclPHzTU6Ls= Received: by 10.143.27.9 with SMTP id e9mr745305wfj.16.1299882075101; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.156.18 with SMTP id d18ls1850543wfe.3.p; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.21.19 with SMTP id y19mr1809795wfi.30.1299882074202; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.21.19 with SMTP id y19mr1809794wfi.30.1299882074175; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41si4249538wfa.3.2011.03.11.14.21.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PyAhr-00054l-Il for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:11 -0800 Received: from 128-177-28-49.ip.openhosting.com ([128.177.28.49] helo=oh-www1.lojban.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PyAhn-00054R-Nu for bpfk@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:21:11 -0800 Received: from www-data by oh-www1.lojban.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PyAhm-00073b-9E for bpfk@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:21:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:21:06 -0500 Message-Id: To: bpfk@lojban.org Subject: [bpfk] dag-cll git updates for Fri Mar 11 17:21:06 EST 2011 From: www-data X-Original-Sender: www-data@oh-www1.lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 8945 commit d1dacacf0f8d180ad9d7c93f1e061b6f589801d5 Author: Robin Lee Powell Date: Fri Mar 11 13:25:55 2011 -0800 chapter 14 tweaks. diff --git a/todocbook/14.xml b/todocbook/14.xml index 060b204..d30b75b 100644 --- a/todocbook/14.xml +++ b/todocbook/14.xml @@ -1857,21 +1857,21 @@ You desire something-about [truth function?] a-mass-of coff= ee [or] a-mass-of tea? the answer must be in afterthought form. connective questi= onscompared with other languages There are natural languages, notably Chinese, which employ the Lojbanic = form of connective question. The Chinese sentence <anchor xml:id=3D"c14e13d15"/> - ni3 zou<= superscript>3 hai2shi pao + ni3 zou<= superscript>3 hai2shi pao3 means=20 Do you walk or run?, and is exactly parallel to the Loj= ban: <anchor xml:id=3D"c14e13d16"/> do cadzu gi'i bajra @@ -2089,21 +2089,21 @@ brothersexample possibly adding a discursive el= ement meaning=20 and vice versa. However,=20 James and George are brothers cannot be correctly trans= lated as: =20 <anchor xml:id=3D"c14e14d9"/> - la djeimyz. .e la djordj. bruna + la djeimyz. .e la djordj. bruna James and George is-a-brother. since that expands to two bridi and means that James is a brothe= r and so is George, but not necessarily of each other. If the=20 e is changed to=20 jo'u, however, the meaning of=20 =20 is preserved: @@ -2550,37 +2550,69 @@ <jbo>do dicra .e'a mi ca la daucac. bi'onai la gaicac.</jbo> =20 <gloss>You disturb (allowed) me at 10 not-from ... to 12</gloss> <en>You can contact me except from 10 to 12.</en> =20 </interlinear-gloss> </example> <para>The complete syntax of joiks is:</para> <para> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>GAhO selma'o<= /primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>BI= hI selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported">= <primary>JOI selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-= imported"><primary>nai</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-wor= d-imported"><primary>se</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"general-i= mported"><primary>joiks</primary><secondary>syntax of</secondary></indexter= m> FIXME: TAG SPOT</para> <grammar-template> - [se] JOI [nai] [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO + <itemizedlist> + <listitem> + <para> + [se] JOI [nai] + </para> + </listitem> + <listitem> + <para> + [se] BIhI [nai] + </para> + </listitem> + <listitem> + <para> + GAhO [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO + </para> + </listitem> + </itemizedlist> </grammar-template> <para> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>JOI selma'o</= primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>GI = selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><pr= imary>gi</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><prima= ry>joigik</primary><secondary>definition</secondary></indexterm> <indexter= m type=3D"general-imported"><primary>intervals</primary><secondary>forethou= ght</secondary></indexterm> Notice that the colloquial English translations= of=20 <valsi>bi'i</valsi> and=20 <valsi>bi'o</valsi> have forethought form:=20 <quote>between ... and</quote> for=20 <valsi>bi'i</valsi>, and=20 <quote>from ... to</quote> for=20 <valsi>bi'o</valsi>. In Lojban too, non-logical connectives can be exp= ressed in forethought. Rather than using a separate selma'o, the forethough= t logical connectives are constructed from the afterthought ones by suffixi= ng=20 =20 <valsi>gi</valsi>. Such a compound cmavo is not unnaturally called a= =20 <oldjbophrase>joigik</oldjbophrase>; the syntax of joigiks is any of:<= /para> =20 =20 <para> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>GAhO selma'o<= /primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><primary>JO= I selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-imported"><= primary>BIhI selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"lojban-word-= imported"><primary>GI selma'o</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"loj= ban-word-imported"><primary>nai</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"l= ojban-word-imported"><primary>se</primary></indexterm> <indexterm type=3D"= general-imported"><primary>joigiks</primary><secondary>syntax of</secondary= ></indexterm> FIXME: TAG SPOT</para> <grammar-template> - [se] JOI [nai] GI [se] BIhI [nai] GI GAhO [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO GI + <itemizedlist> + <listitem> + <para> + [se] JOI [nai] GI + </para> + </listitem> + <listitem> + <para> + [se] BIhI [nai] GI + </para> + </listitem> + <listitem> + <para> + GAhO [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO GI + </para> + </listitem> + </itemizedlist> </grammar-template> <para> <indexterm type=3D"general-imported"><primary>joigiks</primary>= <secondary>connection types</secondary></indexterm> Joigiks may be used to = non-logically connect bridi, sumti, and bridi-tails; and also in termsets.<= /para> <para> <xref linkend=3D"example-random-id-pC5x"/> in forethought becomes:</pa= ra> <para> <indexterm type=3D"example-imported"><primary>carry the piano</= primary><secondary>example</secondary></indexterm> FIXME: TAG SPOT</para> <example role=3D"interlinear-gloss-example" xml:id=3D"example-random-i= d-iBpP"> <title> <anchor xml:id=3D"c14e16d10"/> diff --git a/todocbook/TODO b/todocbook/TODO index eacd90f..2917e6c 100644 --- a/todocbook/TODO +++ b/todocbook/TODO @@ -19,30 +19,20 @@ From IRC: =20 < vensa> rlpowell: are you aware of the TYPO at the bottm of this CLL page= ? http://dag.github.com/cll/10/16/ < rlpowell> Heh. I get an internal server error. :) < rlpowell> Can you paste? < vensa> subordinate: X TENSE le nu Y -- that's the prope= r part < vensa> forethought coordinate: TENSE+gi X gi Y -- thats the bad par= t pe'i < rlpowell> What do you think the problem is? < kebukebu> (They are said to be equivalent) < vensa> (should be TENSE+gi *Y* gi *X*) =20 -14.xml: - ni3 z - ou3 hai2s - hi pao -- needs a 3 for the last - - [se] JOI [nai] GI [se] BIhI [nai] GI GAhO [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO GI - [se] JOI [nai] [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO [se] BIhI [nai] GAhO -- need splitt= ing - - - 15.xml =20 (inaccurate quantity; the difference from the pre vious example is that someone who has held four jobs has also held thre e jobs)=20 =20 (undue quantity negation indicating that the valu e on a scale for measuring the predicate is incorrect)