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On Tuesday 14 August 2012 04:46:04 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> So, this has been going about for a bit. I'm sure most of you are already
> aware of it.
>
> Since this is the BPFK, I thought I'd see what the opinions of the people
> in charge of language changes etc. were.
>
> Specifically, what do the BPFK members think of doing the following:
>
> 1. Change the meaning of carna from "x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis
> x2 in direction x3" to "x1 turns from x2 to x3" which has very little
> impact on usage thus far (all 144 instances of usage, that is).
>
> 2. Add two new gismu with the following meanings:
>
> word1: x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
> rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3
> word2: x1 is rotating clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about rotational
> axis/axes (set if multiple) x3

I would prefer to keep "carna" as it is, specifying that x3 is stated 
according to the right-hand rule, and add a new gismu meaning "x1 turns from 
x2 to x3", where x2 and x3 could be stated as angles or as things x1 is 
facing. This definition of "carna" works well in 3D, but in 2D the direction 
of rotation is a sign (plus or minus), and in 4D an object can turn 
independently in two perpendicular planes.

> Thanks to Broca, I was able to run the algorithm to get these possible
> gismu for the two new words:
> Chinese: lunliu
> Hindi: gumai
> English: rotait
> Spanish: xirar
> Russian: vraciat
> Arabic: tonauibu

The English should be "roteit", and in the Russian the "t" is the infinitive 
ending and should be dropped; similarly the last "r" in Spanish. I don't know 
offhand if we drop the thematic vowel (the "a" before the "r" or "t"). 
Spanish has pairs of verbs with completely different meaning differing only 
in that one is first-conjugation and one is second or third.

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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