Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:63302) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ThAiL-0000Bm-UD; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:40 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id p16sf623768vcq.16 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=CT0n062PbuXUuNvqac4jSJ8s+MtiwQL1WJZcQro6FF0=; b=e+jG1iqpfSx8FQiBuAQpmfkfvVvuE43lAuJQMt3amp9Ti5sRfPzfUmHKOsHevTG+Bz 6S7Q11AHfHs5xKMrKmlTFjE48/OtiRC2PPKk0J/xTIN1eKRwWnQRV6qC6IpgZvLD3kq9 kJKzmnT5U1OrkTgBaLTFkKeC4b0t7n1K/dt045yebBze8YyNy7xfus6YoGFqNzuLgZeO BaJuwOq3IsR/mWYWVWxr9yFDTJrJdZO0tr00BpV3dFzIlhiFC25t3buPuf9Mmc/LPWaI MJT9jKo9suZvEwH9G9XuYQqNeyZ5smTvZCiQ7sb2CvRoAVLnveOUYdo+SCB1NBePc6FA fVaw== Received: by 10.49.116.139 with SMTP id jw11mr1784171qeb.12.1354935863256; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.25.130 with SMTP id c2ls2645407qeg.50.gmail; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.17.205 with SMTP id q13mr2125013vdd.6.1354935862880; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.17.205 with SMTP id q13mr2125011vdd.6.1354935862869; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si2045324vdb.1.2012.12.07.19.04.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThAiD-0003E4-E6; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:04:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 22:04:21 -0500 From: John Cowan To: la gleki Cc: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} Message-ID: <20121208030421.GB3174@mercury.ccil.org> References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> <50C10003.1080806@lojban.org> <5406c1d2-ee78-4b41-ab68-06b7cf99dce7@googlegroups.com> <20121207165143.GE26753@mercury.ccil.org> <12451bd9-6861-4830-a8d0-c5c5f382fe2c@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12451bd9-6861-4830-a8d0-c5c5f382fe2c@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1113 la gleki scripsit: > Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and square > nails? As the Red Book explains in Section 15.7, the meaning of "nai" depends on the selma'o of the word it is attached to. It is contradictory negation (na) when attached to NU, A, GIhA, JA, GA, GUhA, GI, PU, FAhA, BAI. It is scalar negation (na'e) when attached to JOI, BIhI, ROI, TAhE, ZAhO. It is polar negation (to'e) when attached to COI, UI, CAI. When standing alone as a text-0, it is vague in meaning (like English "No."). -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan It's the old, old story. Droid meets droid. Droid becomes chameleon. Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back again. It's a classic tale. --Kryten, Red Dwarf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.