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On Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:04:21 AM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote:
>
> la gleki scripsit: 
>
> > Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and 
> square 
> > nails? 
>
> As the Red Book explains in Section 15.7, the meaning of "nai" depends on 
> the selma'o of the word it is attached to.  It is contradictory negation 
> (na) when attached to NU, A, GIhA, JA, GA, GUhA, GI, PU, FAhA, BAI. 
> It is scalar negation (na'e) when attached to JOI, BIhI, ROI, TAhE, ZAhO. 
> It is polar negation (to'e) when attached to COI, UI, CAI.  When standing 
> alone as a text-0, it is vague in meaning (like English "No."). 
>

Here we go again.... that what i started with....
 

>
> -- 
> John Cowan  co...@ccil.org <javascript:>   http://ccil.org/~cowan 
> It's the old, old story.  Droid meets droid.  Droid becomes chameleon. 
> Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back 
> again.  It's a classic tale.  --Kryten, Red Dwarf 
>

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<br><br>On Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:04:21 AM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">la gleki scripsit:
<br>
<br>&gt; Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and square 
<br>&gt; nails?
<br>
<br>As the Red Book explains in Section 15.7, the meaning of "nai" depends on
<br>the selma'o of the word it is attached to. &nbsp;It is contradictory negation
<br>(na) when attached to NU, A, GIhA, JA, GA, GUhA, GI, PU, FAhA, BAI.
<br>It is scalar negation (na'e) when attached to JOI, BIhI, ROI, TAhE, ZAhO.
<br>It is polar negation (to'e) when attached to COI, UI, CAI. &nbsp;When standing
<br>alone as a text-0, it is vague in meaning (like English "No.").
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here we go again.... that what i started with....</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>-- 
<br>John Cowan &nbsp;<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="ReEEIWLrHq8J">co...@ccil.org</a> &nbsp; <a href="http://ccil.org/~cowan" target="_blank">http://ccil.org/~cowan</a>
<br>It's the old, old story. &nbsp;Droid meets droid. &nbsp;Droid becomes chameleon.
<br>Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back
<br>again. &nbsp;It's a classic tale. &nbsp;--Kryten, Red Dwarf
<br></blockquote>

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