Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:39790) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Thffo-0001AQ-VQ; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:08:15 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf1458444ieb.16 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:07:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sRmnEmZGtE1vCG8UcduiEYwbCK0bpNEYfqLqu1F3YRc=; b=Yd1mZ8ff7AEAJFEO23vDeF2TDKZJ7GcItYu/81K2yWpJZYAqg3lFHaN2cWW7xD3j9c LodFXdRbIOxwwauQea1RvNJAIxbKuQhDn1TGWHFZhANJznMSd9vOoP2ZQklDjgB9J6vI jbA07Lk0+YlsdspgkX6uURXVEVIlV3pQQaeZXAYhT7h22VMX3rZX1/3IHpi1VtZcwbZw KHsM3hN4y8wby0POSQFOS5OA/1m+2EiwcDJFbNNXa+e/UOAJBFP5UPrug2qgcI1Sj9Kj cXk+lqy82zc4Jk8hLyAJ8dJUdY8w789MZbYl0i/INbWqCu3MDawK949RKQBS85VeP+2W cIYQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sRmnEmZGtE1vCG8UcduiEYwbCK0bpNEYfqLqu1F3YRc=; b=qXWPTmsagxZ+5opG4TkQTdmIeRoGBFrrbQpYCRVcCk/uK4tmXtEGBiEYZOAbDn/mts mK+E96AnvmmmLynVzpXrNE8VtWV9pMZwDXfcP2ZhCajwbsp8uSAo/4mi+b6ns53yYMqt dmggeQa8jhQGSBukV0TvTXyvgKLYJt91ysF/q4IzpLKq03PGpoG+/SQGGH1LpJUFDaoJ lF4b+fFz+PuM7kswnIB7bzZiMysd5Y1jLElg/a3aoOIHxCVHt75G5NQ4PdrB5S/WCayU 6BrrBfJy2g+PDTq2biI7ssIolJ/Ac/Wf6blm4sUjhS+V+/pIeKuSXK3j275G9xSgALAH oG+g== Received: by 10.49.38.72 with SMTP id e8mr2501908qek.42.1355054870035; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:07:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.24.13 with SMTP id q13ls3564185qef.57.gmail; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.15.100 with SMTP id w4mr2492972qec.26.1355054868874; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:07:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:07:48 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Cc: cowan@mercury.ccil.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20121209025300.GF10989@mercury.ccil.org> References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> <50C10003.1080806@lojban.org> <5406c1d2-ee78-4b41-ab68-06b7cf99dce7@googlegroups.com> <20121208182108.GI30125@mercury.ccil.org> <20121208194909.GK30125@mercury.ccil.org> <-2630662732168703446@unknownmsgid> <20121209025300.GF10989@mercury.ccil.org> Subject: Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32_3057095.1355054868354" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3886 ------=_Part_32_3057095.1355054868354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 1. {lo zmiku cu na'e xendo} is a false statement. Robots can't be kind/unkind or in the middle of that scale. The scale just cannot be applied. 2. {lo zmiku cu na [ja'e] xendo}={lo zmiku cu na na'e xendo}={lo zmiku cu na to'e xendo} is a true statement. The scale is denied. However, not taking into account the lack of the truth value in {na'i} the second example is the same to me as 3. {lo zmiku cu xendo na'i} On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:53:00 AM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote: > > Daniel Brockman scripsit: > > > Jorge's original claim though was that {mi na klama le zarci} is > > equivalent to {na'e klama be fa mi bei le zarci}. > > Yes, which I deny. There are situations compatible with the first > that are not compatible with the second. > > -- > A few times, I did some exuberant stomping about, John Cowan > like a hippo auditioning for Riverdance, though co...@ccil.org > I stopped when I thought I heard something at > http://ccil.org/~cowan > the far side of the room falling over in rhythm > with my feet. --Joseph Zitt > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bpfk-list/-/6hfdpEzUofsJ. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en. ------=_Part_32_3057095.1355054868354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. {lo zmiku cu na'e xendo} is a false statement. Robots can't be kind= /unkind or in the middle of that scale. The scale just cannot be applied.2. {lo zmiku cu na [ja'e] xendo}=3D{lo zmiku cu na na'e xendo}=3D{lo zmi= ku cu na to'e xendo} is a true statement. The scale is denied.
However, not taking into account the lack of the truth va= lue in {na'i} the second example is the same to me as
3. {lo zmiku cu xe= ndo na'i}


On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:53:00 AM UTC+= 4, John Cowan wrote:
Daniel Bro= ckman scripsit:

> Jorge's original claim though was that {mi na klama le zarci} is
> equivalent to {na'e klama be fa mi bei le zarci}.

Yes, which I deny.  There are situations compatible with the first
that are not compatible with the second.

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A few times, I did some exuberant stomping about,       = John Cowan
like a hippo auditioning for Riverdance, though       &n= bsp; co...@ccil.org
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the far side of the room falling over in rhythm
with my feet.  --Joseph Zitt

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