Received: from mail-ie0-f186.google.com ([209.85.223.186]:38228) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Thgle-0001SB-Hs; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:18:10 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f186.google.com with SMTP id c14sf1394803ieb.23 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/6kZ1l9vOysFSYnfgTCjd5WrcYSH/34VA5QtanA1FlU=; b=ub0KzZDb9L3QduP1g8ZotxyouAMnmd2Db4KS1p+RT905w6bL4HNRfanmTVM6mzSNq5 fD2vSD9IEgFQOOxbyv9D9PQBAdd8eiH2CVlTPbH0SnbzuZ8ituEBneZLh6/nxNPCl++D B6x+NF+SzgwVtxdlQIgaYmYv0Edd51egEMcNckzhprUHZKBURAcI1uov+88BF08UIozv +M+V66qFKXH/fPclzN2M1h51y10rj9AoY3hv+Db0IWvyqQlAaz0YYdJKhwEDNZIF/2Fz ETkFWJznn1G91o1TBGTvo9y5mLbrAx0i+KpdlvG2mFcaPUAolq1enkhZxdxVpBvq81Qu cTfA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/6kZ1l9vOysFSYnfgTCjd5WrcYSH/34VA5QtanA1FlU=; b=TIrutusFLaB/mR1rK55rC/EFbBXKYOlpC6fq+YeOVV2XAsxPYvThH0+0Q7PBHRQ8ul CBcdSx/8Qh13diW4qZE/aOAqVgNmWnVEjMq5DL5u6JMCXnZIOpHkVBNatOiUsc+BScRY waqt2Vl/gqGIRLfijOQ97HDhYeRYEonYc9HuDH7XMM/+iRRQDE4NDyIL1wfwqgXWq9Y5 /MCbivfoiArBc8rsCBN01NIMK5gfZiAQbPv7vOJbbCKEkjRGQAhDX3umfxLOyI0Y6/sk 5vzbJSh2fpg+y5hx8s2vjTZ42mRY9q+VmFQ4vx0FANQFQGmVZWfhOP23CJkyMl8B/esn U8UQ== Received: by 10.50.0.166 with SMTP id 6mr1607287igf.7.1355059075914; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.202.97 with SMTP id kh1ls908185igc.11.canary; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.86.137 with SMTP id p9mr1395931paz.37.1355059075426; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.86.137 with SMTP id p9mr1395930paz.37.1355059075416; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com (mail-pb0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ab9si106582pbd.1.2012.12.09.05.17.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.47; Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id un1so1137347pbc.6 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.230.234 with SMTP id tb10mr30702822pbc.71.1355059075332; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.88.200 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> <50C10003.1080806@lojban.org> <5406c1d2-ee78-4b41-ab68-06b7cf99dce7@googlegroups.com> <20121208182108.GI30125@mercury.ccil.org> <20121208194909.GK30125@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:17:55 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1397 On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:09 AM, la gleki wrote: > doi xorxes, I really think that {nai} shouldn't be moved anywhere. It > complicates the grammar for newbies, because it makes semantics not obvious. > So simplifying the grammar means nothing here. I have been a Lojbanist for I lost count of how many years, and I could not tell you with any certainty, without checking with the grammar, all the selma'o that can be followed with NAI and all that can't. So for me there's something wrong with the arbitrary grammar of NAI because I seem to be incapable of fully learning it. > Instead I suggest retaining the grammar of {nai} as it is and create > alternative solutions in CAI for each type of negation. That wouldn't help much though. "nai" is normally "opposite", but for some words it is hard to say what its opposite is, or there may be nothing that could be called its opposite, so some arbitrary notion of opposite needs to be imposed. Whatever word you choose to create opposites will have the same problem. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.