Received: from mail-yh0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:36870) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TfvbP-0002Zl-03; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:26 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f57.google.com with SMTP id j63sf2388877yhj.2 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=vNslc4TFJOnL1gPurARVbJ0XHCYJ1IDxIa/kgn/bl/Q=; b=iwQHVlQbf1lu4l1Lh/VQUI99EMufxcBwr6jRboLXpIHFF/i+Qu0qg0opo64T0EGOdp rYYbcJ2Q4lfijoc5cLFfFR4+y/BPokfcOrekP5Ppe+rWuKqj/YhsjGgQg2WcW55oc1QD eTnOpHffr9vbXbofVhcu90VRG5JHt7jdu7iNaKps35x2lFuGfgNr5bb0vLX8oAwPFNfu cQN4/AeYnKHizeZMzU7fXAxpDAr6pTdyjRg30RigedSb1NPeX/4dyi0NyuJb5ZELiHw6 pXSB4yeTr1aHR/maU169SP+KzsbjEgmuyFUftOBX+1e09M35oh7sy/zIGu7uTmq5hawj 4+uQ== Received: by 10.49.15.38 with SMTP id u6mr3103617qec.8.1354639444333; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.24.19 with SMTP id q19ls432908qef.84.gmail; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.20.100 with SMTP id m4mr4319966vde.2.1354639442787; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.20.100 with SMTP id m4mr4319965vde.2.1354639442736; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si635851vdh.0.2012.12.04.08.44.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TfvbF-0003Ox-Mi; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 11:44:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:44:01 -0500 From: John Cowan To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Cc: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: Shapado as elephant? Message-ID: <20121204164401.GA5229@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20101024221226.GI9723@digitalkingdom.org> <20101025150648.GM8367@nvg.org> <20101025173610.GB1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101025184222.GO8367@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1155 la gleki scripsit: > So are there any implementations of the Elephant now? Compendium looks like the nearest thing, though it doesn't have a browser/server architecture Elephant was intended to. bCisive Online is a hosted solution that costs anything from $0 for up to 3 users to $175 a month for 25 users. Not exactly suitable for a broad-based group. But Shapado looks to me like remembering questions and answers, not remembering debated issues and how they were resolved, which is Elephant's remit. Still, the need for that is pretty much gone in the Lojban community: we are no longer designing the language. -- We call nothing profound cowan@ccil.org that is not wittily expressed. John Cowan --Northrop Frye (improved) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.