Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:39255) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tg8qU-0007O6-4u; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:52:47 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id bg2sf3757115pad.16 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:52:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KLNU6ILCujNZQxeS+X4KxVCfPmHRWbaWJqinoPAngpU=; b=PppMWO+J+BsHjTig4EoC7TkH65fDjw5IpyEMIvxpuhL5m741t/X0hBx4VKUfAwP+n/ uAANkfKO2JXK5tTFfImlqmmmzB4nJrHEdxxeEPQ/UUCGbqcAhqJOeEzAXWl5Lr1EydXb pzlfWqjFLbRf8MGXJtLL+Kt00yrlRlciL3Eq2mrik/vCYZ4+yq5vu16NjK2BmlswkM9T 7EtYFrylJSKpgVVySfsMJ6Mcm71vaCnna5zpWIj7FDV9P+DiFD6yK49OzTouWrRGwXPw hXlEVbHmqHESDCs3lrWxZdH5JrrE238hK5YgIfw1AR4c3hU/1iG4ItlfpdB+VGsIlpV9 2mDQ== Received: by 10.50.169.103 with SMTP id ad7mr330271igc.2.1354690351722; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:52:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.104.199 with SMTP id gg7ls1136553igb.34.canary; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.207.74 with SMTP id lu10mr170781igc.11.1354690351364; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:52:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> Subject: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_652_445201.1354690350697" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2782 ------=_Part_652_445201.1354690350697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even the current grammar has two meanings of {nai}. Such "polysemy" (although lacking ambiguity in any case) might lead to inconvenience for newbies. Why {nai} actually means 1. to'e (UInai) 2. na (NU NAI = NU NA KU ZOhU, the same with connectives and BAI)? The proposal http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Move+NAI+to+CAI adds the third meaning (na'e). Next question is why {nai} should move to CAI and then to UI when UI have no truth value? It puts {nai} into strange relation with {na'i} that is already in UI. If so why having {to'e}, {no'e} and {na'e} and if they can be always optionally replaced with {nai}, {cu'i} and some experimental cmavo (e.g. {ne'e}) correspondingly? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bpfk-list/-/YD3qRWa0J68J. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en. ------=_Part_652_445201.1354690350697 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even the current grammar has two meanings of {nai}.
Such "polysemy" (al= though lacking ambiguity in any case) might lead to inconvenience for newbi= es.
Why {nai} actually means
1. to'e (UInai)
= 2. na (NU NAI =3D NU NA KU ZOhU, the same with connectives and BA= I)?

The proposal http://www.lojban.org/tiki/M= ove+NAI+to+CAI adds the third meaning (na'e).

Next= question is why {nai} should move to CAI and then to UI when UI have no tr= uth value?
It puts {nai} into strange relation with {na'i} that i= s already in UI.

If so why having {to'e}, {no= 'e} and {na'e} and if they can be always optionally replaced with= {nai}, {cu'i} and some experimental cmavo (e.g. {ne'e}) correspondingly?

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