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On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:

>
> I can live with it, provided someone puts in a lujvo (probably involving
> mabla and cusku, but not just malsku) that means "x1 curses at x2 using
> form of expression x3", because right now that is termabla, and we
> need such a word.


I'm not sure that's what "termabla" has to mean with the old definition
though. It's more like "x1 uses word/expression x2 with derogatory
connotation/sense x3". The x2 of old mabla seems to be a word or
expression, not a person. At least in the first definition "x1 is a
derogative connotation/sense of x2 used by x3". In the second
definition "x3 derogates/'curses
at' x2 in form x1", x2 does become a person (or a thing I suppose), but
it's hard to reconcile it with the first.

As for "x1 curses at x2", we have "dapma". For general use of foul
language, we could use "malbaupli" (this need not be directed at anyone in
particular) or "malbausku".



>  Ditto for zabna, of course.  The reason not to use
> malsku is that it would mean "shittily express" rather than "talk shit to".
>

It depends on how the lujvo is defined. "Shittily say" would be "ko'a mabla
lo ka ce'u cusku", while "say shit" would be "ko'a cusku lo mabla". I'm not
sure "talk shit to" is the same as "curse at" though. There's also possibly
"malski" for "skicu fo lo ka mabla" Also "te malcme" for name calling.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br>
</div>I can live with it, provided someone puts in a lujvo (probably involv=
ing<br>
mabla and cusku, but not just malsku) that means &quot;x1 curses at x2 usin=
g<br>
form of expression x3&quot;, because right now that is termabla, and we<br>
need such a word. </blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I&#39;m not sure t=
hat&#39;s what &quot;termabla&quot; has to mean with the old definition tho=
ugh. It&#39;s more like &quot;x1 uses word/expression x2 with derogatory co=
nnotation/sense x3&quot;. The x2 of old mabla seems to be a word or express=
ion, not a person. At least in the first definition &quot;<span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">x1 is a derogative connotation/sense of x2 used by x3&quot;=
. In the second definition &quot;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">x3=
</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">=A0derogates/&#39;curses at&#39; x2=
 in form x1&quot;, x2 does become a person (or a thing I suppose), but it&#=
39;s hard to reconcile it with the first.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div style>As for &quot;x1 curses at x2&quot;, we have &quot=
;dapma&quot;. For general use of foul language, we could use &quot;malbaupl=
i&quot; (this need not be directed at anyone in particular) or &quot;malbau=
sku&quot;.=A0</div>
<div style><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">=A0Ditto for zabna, of=
 course. =A0The reason not to use<br>

malsku is that it would mean &quot;shittily express&quot; rather than &quot=
;talk shit to&quot;.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>It depends o=
n how the lujvo is defined. &quot;Shittily say&quot; would be &quot;ko&#39;=
a mabla lo ka ce&#39;u cusku&quot;, while &quot;say shit&quot; would be &qu=
ot;ko&#39;a cusku lo mabla&quot;. I&#39;m not sure &quot;talk shit to&quot;=
 is the same as &quot;curse at&quot; though. There&#39;s also possibly &quo=
t;malski&quot; for &quot;skicu fo lo ka mabla&quot; Also &quot;te malcme&qu=
ot; for name calling.</div>
<div><br></div><div style>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div style>=A0</div=
></div></div></div>

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