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On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:23:24 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, John Cowan <co...@mercury.ccil.org<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I can live with it, provided someone puts in a lujvo (probably involving
>> mabla and cusku, but not just malsku) that means "x1 curses at x2 using
>> form of expression x3", because right now that is termabla, and we
>> need such a word. 
>
>
> I'm not sure that's what "termabla" has to mean with the old definition 
> though. It's more like "x1 uses word/expression x2 with derogatory 
> connotation/sense x3". The x2 of old mabla seems to be a word or 
> expression, not a person. At least in the first definition "x1 is a 
> derogative connotation/sense of x2 used by x3". In the second definition "
> x3 derogates/'curses at' x2 in form x1", x2 does become a person (or a 
> thing I suppose), but it's hard to reconcile it with the first.
>
> As for "x1 curses at x2", we have "dapma".
>

What is the brivla equivalent of {di'ai} ? toldapma?

For general use of foul language, we could use "malbaupli" (this need not 
> be directed at anyone in particular) or "malbausku". 
>
>  
>
>>  Ditto for zabna, of course.  The reason not to use
>> malsku is that it would mean "shittily express" rather than "talk shit 
>> to".
>>
>
> It depends on how the lujvo is defined. "Shittily say" would be "ko'a 
> mabla lo ka ce'u cusku", while "say shit" would be "ko'a cusku lo mabla". 
> I'm not sure "talk shit to" is the same as "curse at" though. There's also 
> possibly "malski" for "skicu fo lo ka mabla" Also "te malcme" for name 
> calling.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>  
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:23:24 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"Z2qIu=
hxy5MkJ">co...@mercury.ccil.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div><br>
</div>I can live with it, provided someone puts in a lujvo (probably involv=
ing<br>
mabla and cusku, but not just malsku) that means "x1 curses at x2 using<br>
form of expression x3", because right now that is termabla, and we<br>
need such a word. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure that's what=
 "termabla" has to mean with the old definition though. It's more like "x1 =
uses word/expression x2 with derogatory connotation/sense x3". The x2 of ol=
d mabla seems to be a word or expression, not a person. At least in the fir=
st definition "<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">x1 is a derogative connotat=
ion/sense of x2 used by x3". In the second definition "</span><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">x3</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">&nbsp;derog=
ates/'curses at' x2 in form x1", x2 does become a person (or a thing I supp=
ose), but it's hard to reconcile it with the first.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>As for "x1 curses at x2", we have "dapma".</div></div><=
/div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What is the brivla equivalent o=
f {di'ai} ? toldapma?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div> For gene=
ral use of foul language, we could use "malbaupli" (this need not be direct=
ed at anyone in particular) or "malbausku".&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,20=
4,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">&nbsp;Ditto for zabna, of =
course. &nbsp;The reason not to use<br>

malsku is that it would mean "shittily express" rather than "talk shit to".=
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It depends on how the lujvo is defined=
. "Shittily say" would be "ko'a mabla lo ka ce'u cusku", while "say shit" w=
ould be "ko'a cusku lo mabla". I'm not sure "talk shit to" is the same as "=
curse at" though. There's also possibly "malski" for "skicu fo lo ka mabla"=
 Also "te malcme" for name calling.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div></div></di=
v>
</blockquote>

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