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1.

ba'o is currently defined (according to CLL<http://dag.github.io/cll/10/10/>) 
as

     ba'o    ZAhO                perfective


If we are to use normal linguistic terminology then this is wrong.

{ba'o} is perfect, not perfective - those are completely different things.
According to Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_tense> it's 
better to avoid using the term "perfect" and change to "retrospective".

So I propose changing the definition of ba'o to

     ba'o    ZAhO                retrospective



2.

As for "perfective" it looks like it's expressed using {co'i}.
Another independent proposal is that co'i should be defined as 

     co'i    ZAhO                perfective/achievative


"perfective" is used quite extensively when describing Chinese and Russian 
grammar so normalising terminology is a must pe'i.

Neither proposal changes anything in Lojban itself, only in translation.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">1.<div><br></div><div>ba'o is currently defined (according=
 to <a href=3D"http://dag.github.io/cll/10/10/">CLL</a>) as<div><pre style=
=3D"background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242); padding: 0.4em; color: rgb(0, 0, =
0);">     ba'o    ZAhO                perfective
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>If we are to use normal linguistic terminol=
ogy then this is wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>{ba'o} is perfect, not per=
fective - those are completely different things.</div><div>According to <a =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_tense">Wikipedia</a>&nbsp;it's=
 better to avoid using the term "perfect" and change to "retrospective".</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>So I propose changing the definition of ba'o to<br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><div><pre style=3D"padding: 0.4em; background-colo=
r: rgb(242, 242, 242); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">     ba'o    ZAhO             =
   retrospective
</pre></div></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>2.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>As for "perfective" it looks like it's expressed using {co'i}.</=
div></div><div>Another independent proposal is that co'i should be defined =
as&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div><pre style=3D"background-color: rgb(2=
42, 242, 242); padding: 0.4em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">     co'i    ZAhO     =
           perfective/achievative
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>"perfective" is used quite extensively when=
 describing Chinese and Russian grammar so normalising terminology is a mus=
t pe'i.</div><div><br></div><div>Neither proposal changes anything in Lojba=
n itself, only in translation.</div></div></div>

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