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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:33 AM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote=
:

> Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:
>
> > I'm not sure there ever was a consensus on whether "pi mu lo broda" mea=
ns
> > half a broda or half the brodas.
>
> I would interpret it as "half a broda", and use "pi mu loi broda" for
> "half the brodas".


The thing is that outer quantifiers normally quantify bridi: how many are
true out of the bridis obtained by replacing the values from the domain of
the quantifier into the bound variable. This outer "pi mu" would be
sommething completely different. It would not be saying that half the
bridis are true (much less that half of a bridi is true), but that there is
a true bridi when one of the values of the domain (just one?) is somehow
halved and the result is used as a value for the bound variable.

Also, distinguishing lo and loi is problematic in cases like "pi mu ko'a".
When ko'a has many referents, does it behave like lo or like loi? Do we
have to keep track of how those referents were assigned to ko'a? (In a
siingularist aproach where ko'a can only take one referent at a time, and a
mass is just another single thing, this is less of a deal, but then you
can't have ko'a surrounding a building while standing on one leg.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:33 AM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.c=
cil.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:<br>
<div class=3D""><br>
&gt; I&#39;m not sure there ever was a consensus on whether &quot;pi mu lo =
broda&quot; means<br>
&gt; half a broda or half the brodas.<br>
<br>
</div>I would interpret it as &quot;half a broda&quot;, and use &quot;pi mu=
 loi broda&quot; for<br>
&quot;half the brodas&quot;.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The thing is t=
hat outer quantifiers normally quantify bridi: how many are true out of the=
 bridis obtained by replacing the values from the domain of the quantifier =
into the bound variable. This outer &quot;pi mu&quot; would be sommething c=
ompletely different. It would not be saying that half the bridis are true (=
much less that half of a bridi is true), but that there is a true bridi whe=
n one of the values of the domain (just one?) is somehow halved and the res=
ult is used as a value for the bound variable.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, distinguishing lo and loi is problematic in cases=
 like &quot;pi mu ko&#39;a&quot;. When ko&#39;a has many referents, does it=
 behave like lo or like loi? Do we have to keep track of how those referent=
s were assigned to ko&#39;a? (In a siingularist aproach where ko&#39;a can =
only take one referent at a time, and a mass is just another single thing, =
this is less of a deal, but then you can&#39;t have ko&#39;a surrounding a =
building while standing on one leg.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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