Received: from mail-ee0-f64.google.com ([74.125.83.64]:44232) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WaPHG-0007rV-22; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:35 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f64.google.com with SMTP id e53sf849430eek.19 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2oWpyemXrPUGipkAb8NYslgzI9rcf6Y7KVD4NgXp9t0=; b=NBjnGEDaGe6/v5vN3ikUyBYx51/cBd2BgJWs0M2NT5hpxp4BWMxoly/54wAWyOJvtX LSUxAvVkLxBc5JADY5VyM26++m5B9kTDa+Ils/218hoXghLLP1Nh/s/luwPA/lUOylpb yo3ISHaUYemb32IzfCJA/QEa7aUD6uRahHrrOkJVpDck4pF+Ms4Sdk6BvWF8FcMfomSD sbNFPu/aZKUoQk/iwX5oILVav8ROG1Glc7Cm66Vw2Wgg3QyzaTZ1Vz+RJuOAGHBuxj0U m62qd1dJaGv7V64DBS5lDb7giltjPvM6ggPzlP6XTTTYH43zV4AfsKpo8TSa0mz+hzVS Zq2g== X-Received: by 10.180.73.116 with SMTP id k20mr4291wiv.4.1397652553898; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.19.105 with SMTP id d9ls846677wie.15.canary; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.74.112 with SMTP id s16mr231230wiv.3.1397652551914; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bz11si478159wib.3.2014.04.16.05.49.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b; Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id x13so10770604wgg.2 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.81.138 with SMTP id a10mr19358039wiy.53.1397652550264; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:49:10 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [bpfk] Several "by standard" places are strange. From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com, bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044401bac72e9004f72857d8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5863 --f46d044401bac72e9004f72857d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 By looking at "by standard" places I noticed some of them that probably should have been "in property" places. E.g. I'm sure that juxre2 is "in property" like {mi juxre lo ka cadzu}. However, I'm not sure about nanla3, nixli3, verba3. lanzu3 also uses "by standard" gloss which is quite different from most other "by standard" places so may be a better gloss needed to avoid confusion? The following is the list of gismu that seem problematic to me: *gismu | current definition | proposed definition* clira | x1 is early by standard x2 | x1 is early in property x2 (ka) jetnu | x1 is true by standard x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2 jitfa | x1 is false by standard or epistemology x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2 juxre | x1 is clumsy by standard x2 | x1 is clumsy in x2 (ka) kanro | x1 is healthy or well by standard x2 | x1 is healthy or well in property x2 lanzu | x1 is a family including x2 bonded by standard x3 ??? lerci | x1 is late by standard x2 | x1 is late in property x2 (ka) mapti | x1 is compatible with or matches x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) mintu | x1 is identical to x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) nanla | x1 is a boy of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) nixli | x1 is a girl of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) nobli | x1 is noble by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka) palci | x1 is wicked or evil by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka) plana | x1 is fat or obese by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka) racli | x1 is rational or sane by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka) smaji | x1 is quiet at observation point x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) tilju | x1 is heavy or massive by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka) verba | x1 is a child aged x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) vrude | x1 is virtuous by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka) xadba | x1 is half of x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) xamgu | x1 is good for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) xlali | x1 is bad for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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By looking at "by standard" places I notice= d some of them that probably should have been "in property" place= s.

E.g. I'm sure that juxre2 is "in prope= rty" like {mi juxre lo ka cadzu}. However, I'm not sure about nanl= a3, nixli3, verba3.

lanzu3 also uses "by standard" gloss which is= quite different from most other "by standard" places so may be a= better gloss needed to avoid confusion?

The follo= wing is the list of gismu that seem problematic to me:
gismu | current definition | proposed definition
clira | x1= is early by standard x2 | x1 is early in property x2 (ka)
jetnu = | x1 is true by standard x2 | x1 is false by epistemology x2
jitfa | x1 is false by standard or epistemology x2 | x1 is false by epistem= ology x2
juxre | x1 is clumsy by standard x2 | x1 is clumsy in x2= (ka)
kanro | x1 is healthy or well by standard x2 | x1 is health= y or well in property x2
lanzu | x1 is a family including x2 bonded by standard x3 ???
lerci | x1 is late by standard x2 | x1 is late in property x2 (ka)
<= div>mapti | x1 is compatible with or matches x2 by standard x3 | =C2=A0in p= roperty x3 (ka)
mintu | x1 is identical to x2 by standard x3 | =C2=A0in property x3 (k= a)
nanla | x1 is a boy of age x2 immature by standard x3 | in pro= perty x3 (ka)
nixli | x1 is a girl of age x2 immature by standard= x3 | in property x3 (ka)
nobli | x1 is noble by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
pal= ci | x1 is wicked or evil by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
pl= ana | x1 is fat or obese by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
racli | x1 is rational or sane by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)
smaji | x1 is quiet at observation point x2 by standard x3 | in property= x3 (ka)
tilju | x1 is heavy or massive by standard x2 | in prope= rty x2 (ka)
verba | x1 is a child aged x2 immature by standard x3 | in property x3= (ka)
vrude | x1 is virtuous by standard x2 | in property x2 (ka)=
xadba | x1 is half of x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
xamgu | x1 is good for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)
xlali | x1 is bad for x2 by standard x3 | in property x3 (ka)

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