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On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:59 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> coi
>
> I have finished the spatial tense sections (at least to a point where I
> think they are ready for a vote). Even though some were marked blue, they
> still contained mistakes and formatting problems. Most of those should be
> fixed now.
>

ui

I notice that the way definitions are phrased differs between sections. Is
> this a problem? Should they rather match?
>

Ideally they should be as homogeneous as possible, but since they are from
so many different authors it's no surprise that there are variations.

In any case, let's please vote on the entire supersection of spatial tenses
> (with one vote per section). I'll add polls to the pages. How long does the
> vote last? I suggest 1 week. (btw, if nobody is interested in voting any
> longer, then better to say so right away)
>

lojban.org seems to be down at the moment, but I'll go vote when it's up
again.

Also, in the case of non-contact spatial tenses, there is a slight conflict
> with {ru'u}. The rough definition in terms of {fi'o se sruri} doesn't
> explain how usages like {la .alis. cu ru'u limna} or {lo prenu cu ru'u
> catlu} work. I added a comment on the page which contains two possible
> explanations. This is a good example of usage doing one thing, and the
> ma'oste/CLL doing another, or rather, usage bending the meaning of a word
> to make it more useful in real life. But the BPFK still needs to decide
> what it means.


I haven't had a chance to read your possible explanations yet, but I do
interpret those two as "fi'o se sruri". "lo nu la .alis cu limna cu sruri
zo'e" and "lo nu lo prenu cu catlu cu sruri zo'e". The event of swimming /
event of looking takes place around some undetermined point. The spatial
location of a swimming event is more or less clear. The spatial location of
a looking event is not so clear, but presumably it includes the locations
of the looker and the lookee, and possibly the space in between.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:59 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi<br>
<br>
I have finished the spatial tense sections (at least to a point where I thi=
nk they are ready for a vote). Even though some were marked blue, they stil=
l contained mistakes and formatting problems. Most of those should be fixed=
 now.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>ui=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">
I notice that the way definitions are phrased differs between sections. Is =
this a problem? Should they rather match?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>Ideally they should be as homogeneous as possible, but since they are fr=
om so many different authors it&#39;s no surprise that there are variations=
.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In any case, let&#39;s please vote on the entire supersection of spatial te=
nses (with one vote per section). I&#39;ll add polls to the pages. How long=
 does the vote last? I suggest 1 week. (btw, if nobody is interested in vot=
ing any longer, then better to say so right away)<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://lojban.org">lojban.org</=
a> seems to be down at the moment, but I&#39;ll go vote when it&#39;s up ag=
ain.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Also, in the case of non-contact spatial tenses, there is a slight conflict=
 with {ru&#39;u}. The rough definition in terms of {fi&#39;o se sruri} does=
n&#39;t explain how usages like {la .alis. cu ru&#39;u limna} or {lo prenu =
cu ru&#39;u catlu} work. I added a comment on the page which contains two p=
ossible explanations. This is a good example of usage doing one thing, and =
the ma&#39;oste/CLL doing another, or rather, usage bending the meaning of =
a word to make it more useful in real life. But the BPFK still needs to dec=
ide what it means.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>I haven&#39;t had a chance to read your possible explan=
ations yet, but I do interpret those two as &quot;fi&#39;o se sruri&quot;. =
&quot;lo nu la .alis cu limna cu sruri zo&#39;e&quot; and &quot;lo nu lo pr=
enu cu catlu cu sruri zo&#39;e&quot;. The event of swimming / event of look=
ing takes place around some undetermined point. The spatial location of a s=
wimming event is more or less clear. The spatial location of a looking even=
t is not so clear, but presumably it includes the locations of the looker a=
nd the lookee, and possibly the space in between.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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