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I'd like to see some of the Non-Contact Spatials spelled out a little more
clearly. In particular, I think the intention is that {ri'u ko'a broda}
assumes that {ko'a} has an orientation, and that the event of {broda}-ing
is to {ko'a}'s right, and that the speaker's location and orientation are
irrelevant, but that point is not entirely clear from the definition as
stated. If I'm facing north and you're to the north of me, facing south
back at me, then a dog between us to the east is "to the right of you" from
my point of view, but also "to your left". .i gerku ri'u je'i zu'a do

Same question for {ca'u} and {ti'a}. "In front of X" can mean "between me
and X" ("a shadow passed in front of the moon"), or it could mean "in the
direction that X is facing". Both should be expressible, and the
definitions need to be unambiguously one or the other.


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:13 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> mi cusku di'e
>
>> Happy voting!
>>
>
> By the way, I think the only debatable point in all those sections is the
> cmavo {ne'a}, which has two popular meanings/uses. Those meanings are {fi'o
> se zvajbi} i.e. "near/in the vicinity of", and {fi'o se mlana} "on the side
> of". The former is compatible with the latter, but not vice-versa.
>
> Some corpus examples:
>
> http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/ne%27a
>
>
> mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d like to see some of the Non-Contact Spatials spell=
ed out a little more clearly. In particular, I think the intention is that =
{ri&#39;u ko&#39;a broda} assumes that {ko&#39;a} has an orientation, and t=
hat the event of {broda}-ing is to {ko&#39;a}&#39;s right, and that the spe=
aker&#39;s location and orientation are irrelevant, but that point is not e=
ntirely clear from the definition as stated. If I&#39;m facing north and yo=
u&#39;re to the north of me, facing south back at me, then a dog between us=
 to the east is &quot;to the right of you&quot; from my point of view, but =
also &quot;to your left&quot;. .i gerku ri&#39;u je&#39;i zu&#39;a do<div>

<br></div><div>Same question for {ca&#39;u} and {ti&#39;a}. &quot;In front =
of X&quot; can mean &quot;between me and X&quot; (&quot;a shadow passed in =
front of the moon&quot;), or it could mean &quot;in the direction that X is=
 facing&quot;. Both should be expressible, and the definitions need to be u=
nambiguously one or the other.=C2=A0</div>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed,=
 May 28, 2014 at 5:13 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

mi cusku di&#39;e<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Happy voting!<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
By the way, I think the only debatable point in all those sections is the c=
mavo {ne&#39;a}, which has two popular meanings/uses. Those meanings are {f=
i&#39;o se zvajbi} i.e. &quot;near/in the vicinity of&quot;, and {fi&#39;o =
se mlana} &quot;on the side of&quot;. The former is compatible with the lat=
ter, but not vice-versa.<br>


<br>
Some corpus examples:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/ne%27a" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://corpus.lojban.org/<u></u>corpus/search/ne%27a</a><div class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i mu&#39;o<br>
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