Received: from mail-pd0-f190.google.com ([209.85.192.190]:62784) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WuUbz-0001Nq-9f; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:52 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f190.google.com with SMTP id z10sf1737835pdj.17 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Aj0NHs3fEci4cKg1/1ysZWiLkZ5T+uB07nPjsd1KxHc=; b=Ox1erCY7yXfGEUkKpjGyFRaYwktYjCY1YYmprm0+i8ZBttAY7bwpy9Khpj4h1F/dRZ xOYeSKKm5xckKYqOF6tfjC3ksS1NZ3NVfHp2Dlg0akMC2qXS6viHBMNNxE1ToZUQFqFt 30nbL8chv0Uv5sLCWq9b6VB39o/DZ2YlLTIr5KNMocEN0aZFUaIfUjkHsSW6gKSpuDmt +13e9ri4quv5LmZTvNfSFDfCwoe6s2XvngA2oJES2QtCiDt/0dmj8hDyfphSeTsBE5Gb zGWvGD3QZSOWB8JXj/hTpIeJEB1B4E3ES8h6T77zk6/P/iEETHM0P4UWXqJ8Ze70J+rY qLgw== X-Received: by 10.50.17.100 with SMTP id n4mr540984igd.3.1402439621190; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.73.229 with SMTP id o5ls680605igv.21.canary; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.55.35 with SMTP id o3mr6358978igp.6.1402439620917; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x22f.google.com (mail-ve0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l7si1446792vda.3.2014.06.10.15.33.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f; Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id us18so7034914veb.6 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.160.164 with SMTP id xl4mr13034655veb.38.1402439620770; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140610152942.GA1582@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20140610152942.GA1582@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:33:40 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BAhE + BU From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6763b26a417004fb82eb3f X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3986 --047d7b6763b26a417004fb82eb3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, John Cowan wrote: > Daniel Brockman scripsit: > > > I believe the short answer is as follows: "When two magic operators are > > in conflict, the leftmost operator always wins." > > There's nothing magic about "ba'e", though; it's a regular part of the > grammar. > That means it loses to any magic word, just like all other non-magic words. > I don't know if we have an explicit statement anywhere about what makes magic words magic, but I would say it's these two properties: (1) It can modify (almost) any other word. (2) The grammar of the resulting construct is independent of the class of the word(s) it modifies. The "almost" is of course necessary because of the interactions between magic words. They can certainly modify any non-magic word. UI and BAhE satisfy condition (1) for the most part, they are not very choosy in what they interact with, but not condition (2), because the resulting constructs retain the grammar of the word they modify. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b6763b26a417004fb82eb3f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org= > wrote:
Daniel Brockman scripsit:

> I believe the short answer is as follows: "When two magic operato= rs are
> in conflict, the leftmost operator always wins."

There's nothing magic about "ba'e", though; it'= s a regular part of the grammar.
That means it loses to any magic word, just like all other non-magic words.=

I don't know if we have an explici= t statement anywhere about what makes magic words magic, but I would say it= 's these two properties:

(1) It can modify (almost) any other word.
(2= ) The grammar of the resulting construct is independent of the class of the= word(s) it modifies.

The "almost" is of= course necessary because of the interactions between magic words. They can= certainly modify any non-magic word.

UI and BAhE satisfy condition (1) for the most pa= rt, they are not very choosy in what they interact with, but not condition = (2), because the resulting constructs retain the grammar of the word they m= odify.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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