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I don't see why being able to emphasize {bu} would be so ridiculous, but an=
yway, I'll take what jcowan said about magic words.

So looking back at Riley's original message, this implies that jbofi'e is w=
rong, the "Nonce connectives"[1] page needs clarification (but the example =
is fine) and the "lerfu forming cmavo"[2] page is right, in that {ba'e bu} =
is a letteral. This also agrees with "Magic Words"[3].

I tested the sentence {mi nelci me'o ba'e bu}, and all three parsers accept=
 it, but jbofi'e moves {ba'e} to before {me'o}, which seems wrong.

And the language in "Nonce connectives" should definitely be unified -- eit=
her we say {ba'e} and {za'e} both "bind" with the following word, or neithe=
r of them do, plus the definition for {za'e} has points about {sa} and left=
-to-right magic word resolution that should be in both definitions assuming=
 they are correct.

je'upei=20

mi'e la durka mu'o

1: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK%20Section%3A%20ler=
fu%20forming%20cmavo
2: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK%20Section%3A%20Non=
ce%20Connectives
3: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DMagic%20Words


On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, John Cowan wrote:

> Daniel Brockman scripsit:
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> > I believe the short answer is as follows: "When two magic operators are
> > in conflict, the leftmost operator always wins."
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> There's nothing magic about "ba'e", though; it's a regular part of the gr=
ammar.
> That means it loses to any magic word, just like all other non-magic word=
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                <div>
                    I don't see why being able to emphasize {bu} would be s=
o ridiculous, but anyway, I'll take what jcowan said about magic words.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>So looking back at Riley's original message, this imp=
lies that jbofi'e is wrong, the "Nonce connectives"[1] page needs clarifica=
tion (but the example is fine) and the "lerfu forming cmavo"[2] page is rig=
ht, in that {ba'e bu} is a letteral. This also agrees with "Magic Words"[3]=
.</div><div><br></div><div>I tested the sentence {mi nelci me'o ba'e bu}, a=
nd&nbsp;all three parsers accept it, but jbofi'e moves {ba'e} to before {me=
'o}, which seems wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>And the language in "Nonce=
 connectives" should definitely be unified -- either we say {ba'e} and {za'=
e} both "bind" with the following word, or neither of them do, plus the def=
inition for {za'e} has points about {sa} and left-to-right magic word resol=
ution that should be in both definitions assuming they are correct.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>je'upei
                </div><div><br></div><div>mi'e la durka mu'o</div><div><br>=
</div><div>1:&nbsp;http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK%20=
Section%3A%20lerfu%20forming%20cmavo</div><div>2:&nbsp;http://www.lojban.or=
g/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK%20Section%3A%20Nonce%20Connectives</div><=
div>3:&nbsp;http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DMagic%20Words<=
/div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 at 1=
1:29 AM, John Cowan wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div>Daniel Brockman scripsit:</div><di=
v><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>I believe the short answer =
is as follows: "When two magic operators are</div><div>in conflict, the lef=
tmost operator always wins."</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Th=
ere's nothing magic about "ba'e", though; it's a regular part of the gramma=
r.</div><div>That means it loses to any magic word, just like all other non=
-magic words.</div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>John Cowan          <a=
 href=3D"http://www.ccil.org/~cowan">http://www.ccil.org/~cowan</a>        =
<a href=3D"mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a></div><div>The penguin =
geeks is happy / As under the waves they lark</div><div>The closed-source g=
eeks ain't happy / They sad cause they in the dark</div><div>But geeks in t=
he dark is lucky / They in for a worser treat</div><div>One day when the Bo=
rg go belly-up / Guess who wind up on the street.</div><div><br></div><div>=
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