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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:

> Adam Lopresto scripsit:
>
> > Same question for {ca'u} and {ti'a}. "In front of X" can mean "between me
> > and X" ("a shadow passed in front of the moon"), or it could mean "in the
> > direction that X is facing".
>
> The question here is, which way does the Moon face?  My intuition says that
> it faces the Earth, so "in front of the moon" means the same thing under
> either interpretation.
>

I think that "in front of X" always means in the direction in which X is
facing, and that objects without natural faces acquire a nonce face such
that they are facing the speaker (or at whatever the point of view is). So
ca'u/ti'a X are effectively equivalent to zo'i/ze'o X when X doesn't have
its own permanent face.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Adam Lopresto scripsit:<br>
<div class=3D""><br></div><div class=3D"">
&gt; Same question for {ca&#39;u} and {ti&#39;a}. &quot;In front of X&quot;=
 can mean &quot;between me<br>
&gt; and X&quot; (&quot;a shadow passed in front of the moon&quot;), or it =
could mean &quot;in the<br>
&gt; direction that X is facing&quot;.<br>
<br>
</div>The question here is, which way does the Moon face? =C2=A0My intuitio=
n says that<br>
it faces the Earth, so &quot;in front of the moon&quot; means the same thin=
g under<br>
either interpretation.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think that &qu=
ot;in front of X&quot; always means in the direction in which X is facing, =
and that objects without natural faces acquire a nonce face such that they =
are facing the speaker (or at whatever the point of view is). So ca&#39;u/t=
i&#39;a X are effectively equivalent to zo&#39;i/ze&#39;o X when X doesn&#3=
9;t have its own permanent face.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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