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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:16 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:

> selpa'i scripsit:
>
> > It seems the distinction between {ta'e} and {na'o} has never been
> > very clear.
>
> I don't see any unclarity unless you assume that "The rock habitually
> rolled down the hill" necessarily means anything.
>

But what is the difference between "ta'e broda" and "na'o broda" when broda
is agentive?

If the only difference between ta'e and na'o is that "ta'e broda" is an
acceptable variant of "na'o broda" as long as "broda" is agentive, and
otherwise it is nonsense, then "ta'e" would be redundant, since it could
always be replaced by "na'o".

(I'm not sure exactly why, but since I never saw any relevant distinction
between the two I've always preferred "ta'e". Perhaps because na/na'e/nau
are used in similar positions and may interfere with "na'o" whereas "ta'e"
is more distinct.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:16 PM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">selpa&#39;i scripsit:<br>
<div class=3D""><br></div><div class=3D"">
&gt; It seems the distinction between {ta&#39;e} and {na&#39;o} has never b=
een<br>
&gt; very clear.<br>
<br>
</div>I don&#39;t see any unclarity unless you assume that &quot;The rock h=
abitually<br>
rolled down the hill&quot; necessarily means anything.<br></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>But what is the difference between &quot;ta&#39;e broda&quo=
t; and &quot;na&#39;o broda&quot; when broda is agentive?</div><div><br>
</div><div>If the only difference between ta&#39;e and na&#39;o is that &qu=
ot;ta&#39;e broda&quot; is an acceptable variant of &quot;na&#39;o broda&qu=
ot; as long as &quot;broda&quot; is agentive, and otherwise it is nonsense,=
 then &quot;ta&#39;e&quot; would be redundant, since it could always be rep=
laced by &quot;na&#39;o&quot;. =C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>(I&#39;m not sure exactly why, but since I never saw an=
y relevant distinction between the two I&#39;ve always preferred &quot;ta&#=
39;e&quot;. Perhaps because na/na&#39;e/nau are used in similar positions a=
nd may interfere with &quot;na&#39;o&quot; whereas &quot;ta&#39;e&quot; is =
more distinct.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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