Received: from mail-ig0-f190.google.com ([209.85.213.190]:35453) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wxmro-0008No-9z; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:56 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f190.google.com with SMTP id c1sf233027igq.7 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0HZ4HE15xywpuvl0Zis0CZH+eTupAd8uIMfDuJHJr1M=; b=Jue1V0VvrnkMqQwPdqTIG3I/4FApyGIpDYTKVKcV28bVp5540AHO6wTxrlvYnBombp /vGq77wq+NBW2SNa0KBoRgilccr+e4377531a6REEjuV01+/YLXPaEGpPad2FzYf2dcp yCDlJoa07Z+m1hHynejazcaf1D43QK/DGZgBH379tDKfyIReiuRqFOoACngwtIzpnMtX SbMM325akuIm8N705tReAXVFDJKyxoupaWnQQ5GyTPmGdwRfCNx9fdobFhIZ5/so6Jwb gwneezm6i1fS0Sw12VphDjTjhJ5JMgfHjzCU7acrySt9ZfCjjuQwCvyHIP2WPOCSm9pm +Zmw== X-Received: by 10.50.117.5 with SMTP id ka5mr379igb.6.1403224778037; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.253.229 with SMTP id ad5ls1080391igd.28.gmail; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.138.17 with SMTP id qm17mr8707pab.34.1403224777765; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x230.google.com (mail-vc0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l7si308407vda.3.2014.06.19.17.39.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::230; Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ik5so2876810vcb.7 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.195.172 with SMTP id if12mr17602vec.12.1403224777617; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140619235720.GG24620@mercury.ccil.org> References: <538A252F.6060204@gmx.de> <20140618231641.GC856@mercury.ccil.org> <20140619235720.GG24620@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:39:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK section: TAhE (ta'e vs na'o) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b67598068f96404fc39ba78 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3405 --047d7b67598068f96404fc39ba78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, John Cowan wrote: > Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit: > > > But what is the difference between "ta'e broda" and "na'o broda" when > broda > > is agentive? > > I normally file my tax returns in April (though this year I did not), > but it would be a stretch to say that I habitually file my tax returns > in April. I'm afraid the difference is too subtle for me. Why would it be a stretch to say that? > "ta'e" implies something between fully volitional and fully > non-volitional. It's hard to understand what volition has to do with selma'o TAhE though, which has to do with how an event fills an interval. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b67598068f96404fc39ba78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org= > wrote:
Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:

> But what is the difference between "ta'e broda" and &quo= t;na'o broda" when broda
> is agentive?

I normally file my tax returns in April (though this year I did not),=
but it would be a stretch to say that I habitually file my tax returns
in April. =C2=A0

I'm afraid the differe= nce is too subtle for me. Why would it be a stretch to say that?
= =C2=A0
"ta'e" implies something between fully volitional and fully non-volitional.

It's hard to understand= what volition has to do with selma'o TAhE though, which has to do with= how an event fills an interval.

mu'o mi'e= xorxes

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