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On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:37 AM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:

> Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:
>
> > But some objects do have an intrinsic up side and bottom side, otherwis=
e
> > nothing could ever be upside down. So in this respect up/down is more
> like
> > front/back and left/right than like north/south and east/west.
>
> But that's not the way above/below or up/down is actually used.  Alice
> has an upper side and a lower side, but if she's standing on her head,
> the floor is still below her, not above her.  We'd need separate FAhA
> to express "topwards of" and "bottomwards of" relations.
>

I agree, but if Alice is lying on her back looking at the night sky,
couldn't she say that one star is "above" or "below" another one?  I think
the point of view does play a role in above/below that is different from
the case of east/west/north/south, but it's also different from
in-front-of/behind and left-of/right-of.

> Well, are there any languages that don't work like English in this
> respect?
>
> I don't know.


Me neither.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:37 AM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:<br>
<div class=3D""><br>
&gt; But some objects do have an intrinsic up side and bottom side, otherwi=
se<br>
&gt; nothing could ever be upside down. So in this respect up/down is more =
like<br>
&gt; front/back and left/right than like north/south and east/west.<br>
<br>
</div>But that&#39;s not the way above/below or up/down is actually used. =
=C2=A0Alice<br>
has an upper side and a lower side, but if she&#39;s standing on her head,<=
br>
the floor is still below her, not above her. =C2=A0We&#39;d need separate F=
AhA<br>
to express &quot;topwards of&quot; and &quot;bottomwards of&quot; relations=
.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree, but if Alice is lying on her=
 back looking at the night sky, couldn&#39;t she say that one star is &quot=
;above&quot; or &quot;below&quot; another one? =C2=A0I think the point of v=
iew does play a role in above/below that is different from the case of east=
/west/north/south, but it&#39;s also different from in-front-of/behind and =
left-of/right-of.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">
&gt; Well, are there any languages that don&#39;t work like English in this=
 respect?<br>
<br>
</div>I don&#39;t know.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Me neither.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></di=
v></div>

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